New Manty ship ideas.

namelessfly wrote:Snipe
The result will be about perfect for the new, Imperial paradigm that the SEM must adopt. Just as ancient Rome could not muster enough Legions to garrison its empire and needed to depend on Auxiliary forces for local defense, the SEM needs auxiliaries. The fact that these captured SLN SDs are no match for RMN ships is a feature. No local SDF is going to think that their allotted squadron of former SLN SDs give them the means to rebel after it has been explained to them that a squadron of Rollands loaded with Mk-23 pods or better yet Apollo pods to fire in non-FTL mode can defeat an equal number of these SDs.

The RMN will be sort of like the Praetorian Guard.

saber964 wrote:Your overlooking the fact that the Roland has 20 reloads per tube for 240 missiles total. The Clan class has 8 tubes with 30 reloads for 240 missile total. I figure pulling 4 tubes and moving some equipment around and reconfiguring the magazines you could creaght the space for extra crew

saber964 wrote:My idea is t

This is my idea for a destroyer

Clan class destroyer
Mass 189,000 tons
Dimensions 446 x 54 x 45 m
Acceleration 789 G
80% accel 624 G
Broadside 5L, 10CM, 9PD
Chase 4M, 2G, 6PD
Complement
Navy 60
Marines 26

This ship is designed for patrol duty in places like Silesia and anti-piracy patrols were ship boarding's are likely to take place.

It carries the same number of missile reloads as a Roland but has 30 reloads instead of 20 per tube.

Lord Skimper wrote:As for retrofitting missile tubes. Didn't Filareta's Eleventh fleet of 435 SD have all of their missile tubes retro fitted in the field, with the Technodyne Cataphract missiles?

Wolfhound-class destroyer
Mass: 123,500 tons
Dimensions: 428 × 51 × 29 m
Acceleration: 784.7 G (7.695 kps²)
80% Accel: 627.7 G (6.156 kps²)
Broadside: 6M, 3G, 6CM, 5PD
Chase: 2G, 4PD
Number Built: 19
Service Life: 1919–present


The Wolfhound-class destroyer is a general purpose destroyer originally designed during the Janacek Admiralty to replace the entire RMN inventory of older model destroyers. Eighteen percent heavier than the Culverin-class, the Wolfhound takes full advantage of the new technologies that enabled the RMN to build a destroyer that is more effective than many prewar light cruisers. The class has a limited off-bore capability and carries the latest generation of single drive missiles in RMN service, far longer ranged and more powerful than anything in service at the start of the war. With a crew of only 87, the complement of an old-style destroyer can be spread across nearly four Wolfhounds, freeing up manpower for other new construction without reducing the total number of destroyers in service.

While the Wolfhound is an effective platform by any prewar standard, once the performance numbers began to appear for the new Roland-class destroyers the RMN substantially revised their building schedules. Given the missions that it would be assigned, the Wolfhound would not be significantly more capable than the hulls already in service, at least not enough to warrant the cost of replacing almost four hundred of them in wartime. Only nineteen Wolfhounds are currently in service, the other twenty of the original flight having been destroyed in the Grendelsbane raids. While there are plans to put the Wolfhound into limited series production to start slowly replacing the oldest surviving destroyer classes, currently all of the smaller building slips have been dedicated to building Rolands and Avalon-class light cruisers.

Relax wrote::D

YOu just put forth the EXACT specs for a Roland then confidently extrapolated the original designers were really stupid in "only" giving the Roland 20 missiles instead lets increase it to 30! keeping the magazine capacity the same and add another bunch of marines with their needs and on top of that will add in extra fuel bunkerage for long deployment as the Roland is probably NOT thought of as a long deployment option at the moment as well.

As if 4 missile tubes is equivalent to 20 marines and their needs + bunkerage for long patrols...

PS. I believe being able to fit more people aboard such a giant ship would be trivial, DW says otherwise, maybe requiring an extra environmental plant. If you have the extra marines then one also needs a brig to house all those prisoners for long periods and environmental for the duration. My problem would be lack of extra fuel bunkerage for extended patrols that the Roland does NOT have. LT Cruisers have this range, Destroyers do not. How much exactly we do not know, but DW has stated that such a distinction exists.

12 missiles down to 8...

Design already Exists. Check out Avalon, it exchanges missile range for marines instead while keeping total # missiles up.

saber964 wrote:My idea is to address the problem that the low manning ships are running into. eg HMS Tristan cleaning up after Bo Spindle and HMS Hexapuma after Nuncio.

This is my idea for a destroyer

Clan class destroyer
Mass 189,000 tons
Dimensions 446 x 54 x 45 m
Acceleration 789 G
80% accel 624 G
Broadside 5L, 10CM, 9PD
Chase 4M, 2G, 6PD
Complement
Navy 60
Marines 26

This ship is designed for patrol duty in places like Silesia and anti-piracy patrols were ship boarding's are likely to take place.

It carries the same number of missile reloads as a Roland but has 30 reloads instead of 20 per tube.

munroburton wrote:
Remember the Roland is a war-fighter. It has no room for frills and luxuries - it's a short-gap solution to getting a destroyer with DDM capability. The Wolfhound seems to be a more conventional destroyer type designed to meet the other mission requirements of the RMN, not surprisingly, since it was designed under the Janacek Admiralty.

Indeed, the Avalon seems to be a slightly heavier Wolfhound, with the same missile qualities. The Avalon is actually smaller than the Roland - the RMN has not yet designed a DDM light cruiser.

Relax wrote:Compare/contrast LIGHT CRUISER INTRO in HoS to INTRO of RMN Destroyer. If you don't have the book; judging by your post this is not true, I will copy paste it to you. Hmm don't have electronic version so would have to type it. Oh well if you ask, would give me a chance to "improve" my pathetic typing "skills".

House of Steel wrote:On the other side of the coin, the traditional roles of a destroyer as an independent cruising unit were being eroded slowly as the Navy built up its inventory of light cruisers, a type that had been traditionally underrepresented in the Manticoran order of battle. The new light cruisers were more powerful, better defended and had longer endurance than any destroyer in service, which made them far better suited to the roles of strategic reconnaissance picket forces, commerce protection, or commerce raiding.

munroburton wrote:
Remember the Roland is a war-fighter. It has no room for frills and luxuries - it's a short-gap solution to getting a destroyer with DDM capability. The Wolfhound seems to be a more conventional destroyer type designed to meet the other mission requirements of the RMN, not surprisingly, since it was designed under the Janacek Admiralty.

Indeed, the Avalon seems to be a slightly heavier Wolfhound, with the same missile qualities. The Avalon is actually smaller than the Roland - the RMN has not yet designed a DDM light cruiser.

Havendance wrote:

namelessfly wrote:Snipe
The result will be about perfect for the new, Imperial paradigm that the SEM must adopt. Just as ancient Rome could not muster enough Legions to garrison its empire and needed to depend on Auxiliary forces for local defense, the SEM needs auxiliaries. The fact that these captured SLN SDs are no match for RMN ships is a feature. No local SDF is going to think that their allotted squadron of former SLN SDs give them the means to rebel after it has been explained to them that a squadron of Rollands loaded with Mk-23 pods or better yet Apollo pods to fire in non-FTL mode can defeat an equal number of these SDs.

The RMN will be sort of like the Praetorian Guard.

After reading this i have to comment, it brings to mind the old adage "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and i have to say what an evil twisted mind you have (half joking/half serious)

Would be a shame in SKM in a period of say 1k T years given prolong which means maybe 6-7 generations of rulers) for such a dire event to occur in the Manticore system.

Having the best weapons systems tech for Home Fleet seems reasonable, but for it to act like a Praetorian Guard over outlying systems such as the Talbott Quadront or Silesia seems way too Imperialistic for my taste, i would attribute it more to Andermani Styles but not to Manticore if treecat adoptions can be maintained for the ruling clique.

Big off tangent i know but i just had to comment on tat XD.

Jonathan_S wrote:I suspect the only way to get a DDM CL (baring significant reduction in DDM size) is to do a "stretched" Roland.

drothgery wrote:

Jonathan_S wrote:I suspect the only way to get a DDM CL (baring significant reduction in DDM size) is to do a "stretched" Roland.

Well, the ~300 Kton 'notional destroyer' RFC has talked about that would essentially fill the CL and DD role in a universe where everyone has cruiser-weight MDMs would probably be a clean new design; it's almost twice the size of a Roland, but not much more than half the size of a Sag-C (of course, I'm expecting the CA counterpart of the 300 Kton DD/CL to be well into the traditional BC 800 Kton - 1 Mton range).