Haven ships below the wall

Maldorian wrote:I think the core point with the Solarian Navy is, that the whole command staff try to get as much Money out of the navy as they can. With other words, most of them don´t really work for their goverment, they work only for themself.

So for the future: Do they buy their ships from the Company who has the best ones, or do they do the same as usual and give the contract to the one who pay the most to the People who make the decisions?

I belive that the solarian navy could already have better ships than now if they weren´t so curupted. Not so good as the Haven, Andermani or Manticorian ones, but much better as the ones they have.

But even better ships are useless, if the officers don´t have the will to learn new tactics. Can you teach an old solarian dog new tricks?

Jonathan_S wrote:

darrell wrote:I don't think you are aware of how much software can improve performance. A drafter can do a heck of a lot more with autocad 2016 than he can with autcad version 14, which was released less than 20 years ago and was 2d only.

As drothgery already said it basically depends on what the issues are. Better software can improve their point defense and ECM effectiveness by better handling known tricks RMN missiles can perform, or better utilizing the raw hardware capabilities of Halo, or even by removing code inefficiencies to process the data quicker.

But it can't do anything for an inadequate number of point defense installations (too few CM tubes and PDLCs). Nor for an inadequate number of missile tubes. It probably can't do anything for the fact that their missile launcher hardware has a cyclic rate over 4 times slower than the RMN's. Nor can it do anything about their compensator efficiency (acceleration rate). It might improve signal processing on missiles to ring more out of what their sensors see, but it can't improve the raw hardware sensitivity of their sensors. Nor can it improve a missile's powered range.

Some military capabilities are primarily software driven, and can be improved through updated code. But many others are hardware driven, you need to build and refit more capable hardware to get improvements there. And hardware updates are far far slower to install than software updates. (Though sometimes quicker to design and verify; depending on relative complexities)

darrell wrote:

Jonathan_S wrote:\As drothgery already said it basically depends on what the issues are. Better software can improve their point defense and ECM effectiveness by better handling known tricks RMN missiles can perform, or better utilizing the raw hardware capabilities of Halo, or even by removing code inefficiencies to process the data quicker.

But it can't do anything for an inadequate number of point defense installations (too few CM tubes and PDLCs). Nor for an inadequate number of missile tubes. It probably can't do anything for the fact that their missile launcher hardware has a cyclic rate over 4 times slower than the RMN's. Nor can it do anything about their compensator efficiency (acceleration rate). It might improve signal processing on missiles to ring more out of what their sensors see, but it can't improve the raw hardware sensitivity of their sensors. Nor can it improve a missile's powered range.

Some military capabilities are primarily software driven, and can be improved through updated code. But many others are hardware driven, you need to build and refit more capable hardware to get improvements there. And hardware updates are far far slower to install than software updates. (Though sometimes quicker to design and verify; depending on relative complexities)

You have a division of 4 SL SD's vs 1 SEM podnought. 240 Mk23 missiles coming in, 30 dragons teeth, 30 dazzlers 180 attack missiles.

Each SD has 30 CM tubes and 30 PDLC's for 120 total CM tubes and PDLC's. 1 CM lauch, 2 lasers from each laser cluster equals 360 possible shots.

Existing software, 90% are fooled and attack false images, 50% of those that are not fooled hit the target. on target. Results: 18 missiles shot down, 166 out of 180 hit the target, IIRC this is about the performance of crandals SD's at spindle.

Improved software, Only 10% are fooled and attack false targets, 90% of the ones not fooled hit their target.
CM launch, 97 missiles shot down. 143 attack and EW birds left
Laser cluster firing 1: 97 more missiles shot down, 46 combined attack and EW birds left.
Lasser cluster firing 3: attack each missile with at least two different lasers. 41 total birds shot down, that leaves 5 left.

gmg2dave wrote:...And while the Haven sector may be to far away for SLN units to raid effectively both Silesia and Talbott are both a lot closer and would be obvious targets for the SLN. ...

Weird Harold wrote:

gmg2dave wrote:...And while the Haven sector may be to far away for SLN units to raid effectively both Silesia and Talbott are both a lot closer and would be obvious targets for the SLN. ...

Silesia is on the far side of the Anderman Empire from Sol. The SLN would have to go through the Andermani or Manticore to get there (or go the long way around through Midgard (a neutral) possibly by taking the Asgerd wormhole junction (another neutral) for faster transit to Midgard or the Anderman empire.

Talbott/Lynx, OTOH, overlaps the SL sphere of influence (Shell and Verge) and is very much accessible to the SLN/FF -- or would be if they still had a base in Meyers.

The Republic of Haven is further away yet but there is just Erewhon and Maya (known) between it and League Space. It's a long haul and the SLN still thinks it can count on the Maya detachment to support the conflict.

Essentially, the only place the SLN has ready access to Manticoran commerce is the Talbott quadrant on the SEM, so Tenth Fleet is going to bear the brunt of commerce protection. Most of that is going to be local LAC squadrons and system defense missile pods.

darrell wrote:except that it is highly likely approaching certainty that the asgard wormhole junctions have been taken over, either as part of lacoon one or two.

Weird Harold wrote:

darrell wrote:except that it is highly likely approaching certainty that the asgard wormhole junctions have been taken over, either as part of lacoon one or two.

Which is why the SLN would have to "take over" the wormhole junction at Asgerd.

The point, though, is that Silesia is even more out of reach than Haven is. The only points of contact are the Talbott Quadrant and Beowulf.