Captured Solly SDs

even at 20% efficency with 60 people on board of a squadron of SD thats 480 people or 1/4 of 1 bc complement theyd be suficent to deter 1 squadron of OFS BC´s solarian build... and thats the point

its about giving verge systems the ability to defend against OFS for 5 years

svenhauke wrote:even at 20% efficency with 60 people on board of a squadron of SD thats 480 people or 1/4 of 1 bc complement theyd be suficent to deter 1 squadron of OFS BC´s solarian build... and thats the point

its about giving verge systems the ability to defend against OFS for 5 years

Verge systems in general do not have the infrastructure to service and maintain SDs.

They are much better served with a comprehensive suite of system defense missile pods and couple of LACs, which are more than enough to deter most SLN raiding forces.

The E wrote:

svenhauke wrote:even at 20% efficency with 60 people on board of a squadron of SD thats 480 people or 1/4 of 1 bc complement theyd be suficent to deter 1 squadron of OFS BC´s solarian build... and thats the point

its about giving verge systems the ability to defend against OFS for 5 years

Verge systems in general do not have the infrastructure to service and maintain SDs.

They are much better served with a comprehensive suite of system defense missile pods and couple of LACs, which are more than enough to deter most SLN raiding forces.

Maybe you meant a couple of squadrons of LACs... With the addition that at minimun you need to arrange control links for the pods... Moriarity maybe. I agree.

Don

The E wrote:

svenhauke wrote:even at 20% efficency with 60 people on board of a squadron of SD thats 480 people or 1/4 of 1 bc complement theyd be suficent to deter 1 squadron of OFS BC´s solarian build... and thats the point

its about giving verge systems the ability to defend against OFS for 5 years

Verge systems in general do not have the infrastructure to service and maintain SDs.

They are much better served with a comprehensive suite of system defense missile pods and couple of LACs, which are more than enough to deter most SLN raiding forces.

It would be like the ABC states owning BB's pre WWI to WWII. They looked impressive as hell but we're utterly useless. To illustrate this, shortly after Brazil declared war on Germany in mid 43 the U.S. offered to refit the battleship Sao Paulo at U.S. expense. She sailed north on one operational engine and had to be towed about halfway. Once she got to Norfolk the survey estimated three to four years of repairs and deferred maintenance problems. Also the ship had not left port for over a decade (1931).

The E wrote:

svenhauke wrote:even at 20% efficency with 60 people on board of a squadron of SD thats 480 people or 1/4 of 1 bc complement theyd be suficent to deter 1 squadron of OFS BC´s solarian build... and thats the point

its about giving verge systems the ability to defend against OFS for 5 years

Verge systems in general do not have the infrastructure to service and maintain SDs.

They are much better served with a comprehensive suite of system defense missile pods and couple of LACs, which are more than enough to deter most SLN raiding forces.

Depends on what you mean my service and maint. Will the impellers, hyperdrive etc still work. I would say yes.

More importantly, where are these missile pods and fire control forts magically appearing from? Sure as heck will not be RMN pods full of MK-23's or RHN pods full of MDM's either. So, there exists no such pod based system. Therefore once again, these systems are bare assed naked to any one and all.

Folks, these ships were in transit something like 4 months to get to MBS.

3/4 of them were on non-base deployment for months before that. Textev as far back as SoS indicates that Filareta's core force was assembling for "exercise" starting shortly after Crandall departed SL core space for MacIntosh! (not the later assembly at Meyers.) That's like over a year ago, HV time.

The others of the force made immediate, best speed transits from all over the Haven-Sector-facing quadrants of Sollie Core and Shell to assemble with Filareta.

They use Sollie tech.

My best guess is that ~1/2+ of these ship are going to need NODE REPLACEMENTS within anything from 6 months to 1 year.

Node Replacement is a Shipyard-level maintenance event. The surviving fleet train is going to have enough spares for the equivalent of maybe a dozen node set swaps, if they are lucky. Remember that Filareta DID NOT HAVE what Haven or Manticore would consider complete fleet trains, probably not even the same proportional support that Crandal had.

A node replacement that they cannot support is a deadline condition.

So by this reasoning, if kept operational, within ~1 year ~40% of this force is deadlined. Within 3 years, effectively all of it is down, except for a time-consuming cannibalization program. JUST FROM NODE MAINTENANCE ISSUES.

Bottom line: just from looming maintenance issues alone, this force is not worth anyone's divergence of effort from more pressing concerns.

dreamrider

Other than wee problem we have already seen hyperdrives having 100,000's of hours on it. Hali-Sowli. Other than we have seen back in OBS, W-sails drives being replaced even though there were many thousands of hours left on them at full strength before having to go to understrength... This would indicate that node replacement does not happen but once every 20,000-100,000 hours or so. A year is approx 8000 hours.

1st Havenite war, YEARs into the conflict under war time conditions, White Haven was still using the capital ships. It was 1910/1911 that the ships were pulled back for repair after they took Trevors Star and 8th fleet was "trying" to be created. You know In Enemy Hands... 1911... 6 years AFTER the conflict started.

Ergo, you can get YEARS of constant service out of these ships other than a handful that will have had those years already on their nodes.

So, a verge system who most certainly will not be actively at war with anyone can easily double the life of whatever hours are left on the nodes compared to how many hours/years White Haven got out of his ships.

So, roughly 10 years before node replacement for majority of captured SLN SD's or SLN SD's the SL wants to sell.

There are other reasons to not put SD's in Verge hands. Node replacement, hyperdrive replacement, is not one of them in the near future. Long term, sure. Otherwise, no.

At this point there have been no spare parts for the entire RMN for some times, as all the factories blowed up. Can you explain how this has significantly impacted their operations?

The E wrote:They are much better served with a comprehensive suite of system defense missile pods and couple of LACs, which are more than enough to deter most SLN raiding forces.

All you have to do is give them modern 1st tier gear and train them extensively in how to maintain and use it effectively.

What could possibly go wrong?

It's not like selling the Shah Phoenix missiles resulted in the new government giving up all the tech to the Soviet.... Oh, right, never mind.

kzt wrote:

The E wrote:They are much better served with a comprehensive suite of system defense missile pods and couple of LACs, which are more than enough to deter most SLN raiding forces.

All you have to do is give them modern 1st tier gear and train them extensively in how to maintain and use it effectively.

What could possibly go wrong?

It's not like selling the Shah Phoenix missiles resulted in the new government giving up all the tech to the Soviet.... Oh, right, never mind.