Heavy Tri-barrels

Vince wrote:I think that would be the .50 caliber pistol round,

As the only previously mentioned .50 round is the MG ammo, why would i suddenly switch over to referring to a .50 pistol rounds which only has a fraction of the force?

Plenty of .50 pistols using pistol rounds.

There´s even .60 caliber pistol rounds.

Vince wrote:I don't even want to think what the recoil would be even from firing one round [Edit] even two-handed while standing [End Edit] if someone somehow managed to design and build a pistol that was able to fire the machine gun / rifle round.

As i said, someone already did it. IIRC, the "pistol" weigh something like 3kg.

Tenshinai wrote:

Just as a wag, the Honorverse should be able to support five or ten times the weight and recoil -- 27.8mm to 55.6mm through handwavium anti-recoil tech and unobtainium weight reduction.

No, just no.

Why not?

The Honorverse obviously has some method of negating recoil or missile pods wouldn't be possible. Honorverse Physics may be roughly related to real-world physics, but have Handwavium and Unobtainium aspects that make RFC's fictional universe possible.

Weird Harold wrote:The Honorverse obviously has some method of negating recoil or missile pods wouldn't be possible. Honorverse Physics may be roughly related to real-world physics, but have Handwavium and Unobtainium aspects that make RFC's fictional universe possible.

Missile pods? I've noticed that people don't fire part of a pod, pods seem to fire completely or not at all. So if all the launchers are firing at the same time, who cares where the now empty pod goes?

kzt wrote:Missile pods? I've noticed that people don't fire part of a pod, pods seem to fire completely or not at all. So if all the launchers are firing at the same time, who cares where the now empty pod goes?

Have you ever seen what happens to a cartridge that is fired without being contained in an appropriate firearm?

If the Honorverse couldn't eliminate Newtonian recoil, the Pod would go sailing off away from the enemy and the missiles would start from zero velocity.

kzt wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:The Honorverse obviously has some method of negating recoil or missile pods wouldn't be possible. Honorverse Physics may be roughly related to real-world physics, but have Handwavium and Unobtainium aspects that make RFC's fictional universe possible.

Missile pods? I've noticed that people don't fire part of a pod, pods seem to fire completely or not at all. So if all the launchers are firing at the same time, who cares where the now empty pod goes?

As I recall, Honor collected used missile pods for reloading after Wayfarer wiped out that pirate squadron at Sidemore... Waste not, want not!

Don

Weird Harold wrote:Have you ever seen what happens to a cartridge that is fired without being contained in an appropriate firearm?

WTF does that have to do with a mass driver?

A significant amount of energy will be delivered to the pod, so it will move backward. The same energy will be delivered to the significantly lighter missiles, which will hence move the other way at a significantly higher velocity.

And the answer is that nobody cares about the expended pods. How many ships do you think got sent off to try to pick up the few thousand expended pods of the 28,000 or so pods that home fleet had? Was this before or after they finished SAR for the millions of crew in the many thousands of ships that were lost or damaged? How far down the priority list would empty pod recovery be?

Weird Harold wrote:Why not?

The Honorverse obviously has some method of negating recoil or missile pods wouldn't be possible. Honorverse Physics may be roughly related to real-world physics, but have Handwavium and Unobtainium aspects that make RFC's fictional universe possible.

There is a lot of difference in scale.

Counteracting recoil is perfectly possible, but the more you´re trying to counter, the harder it is, regardless how you do it, better tech means you can counter more, it doesn´t remove the need to do it.

And why would pods need to negate recoil?

Tenshinai wrote:

dreamrider wrote:I don't think you could readily fire a 50 cal from a small handgun due to recoil, so the technology must limit recoil.

You can, but not nicely so and not on auto

I DID NOT write the quote above. I know better.

Please be careful who you cite.

I don't mind looking foolish when I am being foolish (well, I do, but in a different way), however I quite resent it when I am made to look lacking through someone else's carelessness.

dreamrider

And FWIW, although firing the full up .50 MG ball ammo from a 'small' handgun would be a ... challenge, I feel quite sure some fool with a good hobby gunshop HAS done it! <grin>

Note that the .50 MG round is almost a standard round for heavy 'shoulder fired' (usually bipod) sniper rifles/extreme range target rifles.

None of which should really pertain to this discussion, because those are chemical explosive, contained compression firearms, NOT the linear accelerators of HV pulsers. Totally different physics.

dreamrider

Tenshinai wrote:And why would pods need to negate recoil?

Because unless the pod masses more than all of the missiles combined, "recoil" would accelerate the pod instead of the missiles.

kzt wrote:
Weird Harold wrote:Have you ever seen what happens to a cartridge that is fired without being contained in an appropriate firearm?


WTF does that have to do with a mass driver?

It is a graphic illustration of Newtonian physics -- which apply to mass drivers as well a firearms.