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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Theemile   » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:11 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:There was clearly some of it offscreen since there was a mention of a Havenite commander who got a commendation for cleverly mousetrapping some raiding BCs with her (I think it was her) old BB.

I can't remember if it was here, in a book or a comment by David at Honorcon, but the BBs pretty much shut down the whole BC raid concept during the war. They tried it a few times, got hammered with massive losses a significant percentage of the time and decided to stop.


Sure, Haven had more BBs than Manticore had BCs. They would be the perfect foil - the only ship type that could trash a BC, yet still have a chance to overtake it under the right conditions.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by JeffEngel   » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:24 am

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kzt wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:There was clearly some of it offscreen since there was a mention of a Havenite commander who got a commendation for cleverly mousetrapping some raiding BCs with her (I think it was her) old BB.

I can't remember if it was here, in a book or a comment by David at Honorcon, but the BBs pretty much shut down the whole BC raid concept during the war. They tried it a few times, got hammered with massive losses a significant percentage of the time and decided to stop.

I suppose the Nike makes a lot of sense in that context, from a fighting-the-last-war perspective: go build a "battlecruiser" in a battleship weight class, but with BC speed and no intention whatever to serve in any wall of battle.

Not that that's particularly reasonable, but it's psychologically plausible.

Also, the Havenite captain was "Froggy" Hall, Oliver Diamato's mentor.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:37 pm

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Quick hyper in and out. I'll be missing for a while. But before I go... I'm rereading At All Costs at my friends request. I can't believe Giscard. Kzt thinks Kuzak was on crack? lol Well, Giscard must have been her supplier and he was doing his own supply. How did he or anyone else not suspect anything? It was the Salamander! Absolutely no ones skin was crawling?

Oh well, it's a rhetorical question.

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It hadn't been easy for the R&D types to perfect. Even for Manticoran technology, designing the components had required previously impossible levels of miniaturization, and BuWeaps had encountered more difficulties than anticipated in putting the system into production. This was its first test in actual combat, and the crews which had launched the MDMs watched with bated breath to see how well it performed.


Javier Giscard was wrong. There weren't twelve missiles in an Apollo pod; there were nine. Eight relatively standard attack missiles or EW platforms, and the Apollo missile—much larger than the others, and equipped with a down-sized, short-ranged two-way FTL communications link developed from the one deployed in the still larger Ghost Rider reconnaissance drones. It was a remote control node, following along behind the other eight missiles from the same pod, without any warhead or electronic warfare capability of its own.


Just a small question posed by some friends, and I promised to post it in the forum before leaving.

Has the Ghost Rider drones benefited yet from the increased miniaturization and gotten proportionately smaller? Can they?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Jonathan_S   » Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:00 pm

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cthia wrote:[snipped Apollo description]

Just a small question posed by some friends, and I promised to post it in the forum before leaving.

Has the Ghost Rider drones benefited yet from the increased miniaturization and gotten proportionately smaller? Can they?
I believe the miniaturization from Ghost Rider RDs to Apollo control missiles was primarily achieved by significantly reducing the maximum range of the FTL comms equipment.

I don't believe there's been any significant breakthrough that would allow the FTL comms suites in the RDs to be shrunk -- not without sacrificing a lot of their comm range. So I doubt the Ghost Rider RDs have shrunk much, if at all, since they were introduced. (But I admit we don't have much text on their specifics; or especially on any upgrades)
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by munroburton   » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:03 am

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Jonathan_S wrote:
cthia wrote:[snipped Apollo description]

Just a small question posed by some friends, and I promised to post it in the forum before leaving.

Has the Ghost Rider drones benefited yet from the increased miniaturization and gotten proportionately smaller? Can they?
I believe the miniaturization from Ghost Rider RDs to Apollo control missiles was primarily achieved by significantly reducing the maximum range of the FTL comms equipment.

I don't believe there's been any significant breakthrough that would allow the FTL comms suites in the RDs to be shrunk -- not without sacrificing a lot of their comm range. So I doubt the Ghost Rider RDs have shrunk much, if at all, since they were introduced. (But I admit we don't have much text on their specifics; or especially on any upgrades)


I suspect RDs have more or less fixed external dimensions(like pods) so they work with every ship's drone handling equipment. If they can make the RD's reactor or FTL comm smaller, they could increase the fuel tank capacity, maintaining the same overall drone size, but getting more endurance.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Relax   » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:07 am

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I would miniaturization STARTED at the RD's/missiles and then these technologies transferred to other ship types.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by crewdude48   » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:56 pm

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What do you think would happen if a Stilty walked into the Manticoran Embassy on Medusa and told somebody at the desk that they wanted to enlist in the RMN? Would they be allowed to?
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Dauntless   » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:49 am

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crewdude48 wrote:What do you think would happen if a Stilty walked into the Manticoran Embassy on Medusa and told somebody at the desk that they wanted to enlist in the RMN? Would they be allowed to?


as i recall the medusans are only iron age, possibly earlier.

while there has been some interaction, i am doubtful that they fully grasp the concept of leaving the planet, let alone going to another star system.

that said if they can pass the tests and use human designed equipment, then i don't see why not.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Duckk   » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:32 am

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Quick hyper in and out. I'll be missing for a while. But before I go... I'm rereading At All Costs at my friends request. I can't believe Giscard. Kzt thinks Kuzak was on crack? lol Well, Giscard must have been her supplier and he was doing his own supply. How did he or anyone else not suspect anything? It was the Salamander! Absolutely no ones skin was crawling?


He had less than 9 minutes to figure out what 8th Fleet did. It was an entirely new system, which he had not even heard the slightest whisper, nor had any metric with which to measure its effectiveness by. Even brilliant people need time to analyze the situation when the status quo changes drastically.

And even if he did figure things out, what the hell was he supposed to do? He was inside her missile range and inside the hyper limit. There's no order he could give that would have prevented the destruction of his command short of striking his wedges. Doing that would have been tantamount to completely surrendering the system without firing a single shot in its defense.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by kzt   » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:43 am

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Duckk wrote:He had less than 9 minutes to figure out what 8th Fleet did. It was an entirely new system, which he had not even heard the slightest whisper, nor had any metric with which to measure its effectiveness by. Even brilliant people need time to analyze the situation when the status quo changes drastically.

And even if he did figure things out, what the hell was he supposed to do? He was inside her missile range and inside the hyper limit. There's no order he could give that would have prevented the destruction of his command short of striking his wedges. Doing that would have been tantamount to completely surrendering the system without firing a single shot in its defense.

Yup. Somebody has to figure out how the monster works. As the RMN didn't really know just how effective the weapons were going to be in practice they couldn't calibrate the firepower even if they wanted.
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