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Re: Updates from David
Post by kzt   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:11 am

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It's easy to show how a media property is a sure winner if you only look at the winners. And the people that run studios only invest in things they think are winners (or are low cost and ideologically correct). It turns out that they are not always right.

Let me remind you of some of the other SF/F films out there that you have somehow failed to mention:

John Carter lost $122 million dollars.
The most well known story of Japan, the 47 Ronin, was turned via the magic of Hollywood into a $150 million crater.
Green Lantern lost $90 million
Jupiter Ascending lost $87 million.
Treasure Planet lost $85 million.
Supernova lost $82 million.
Tomorrowland lost $76 million
Battlefield Earth lost $73 million
Red Planet lost $63 million
Sphere lost $61 million
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Re: Updates from David
Post by Fireflair   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:01 am

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Side note: Most movies lose money by the time the accountants are done with them. For many reasons, having to do with taxes mostly, the movie accounting groups manage to finesse the numbers to show a loosing proposition or break even on most movies. Even the ones which are considered big budget winners.

Back on track now...

It's been pretty well covered that movie execs don't want sci-fi films. That's true, for a variety of reasons. One is that most hard-core sci-fi films don't make money, before the accountants start playing with the numbers. Sci-fi effects eat up budgets, CGI is a killer, and the audience just isn't there. No matter how many good TV shows and movies are released. Fantasy does much better, as shown on GoT and Marvel's releases.

Marvel has an excellent brand, well imbedded in society from a young age for the current money spending generation. Now they utilize an excellent advertising system and provide characters people can clearly relate to.

If you go back to the 90's and earlier, you won't find many fantasy or sci-fi which did well. Yes yes... Star Wars, Star Trek... Both are flukes in the grand scheme of things, no matter how much you're a fan of them or how much money they've made. They filled a niche market at the time, which is clear when you compare them against how many hundreds of other TV shows and movies were released in the same time frame.

Sci-Fi, even if it's believable off the cuff without any serious explanations, isn't as easily sold to the masses. That's key to movie execs and TV execs.

Look at Serenity. A good movie, and a good TV series. The characters had depth and were relatable. But the movie only did mediocre sales (Mostly helped along by the rabid cult following, of which I am one), and build up from the TV show. The TV show only had one season, and the movie was really a gift to the hard core fans. Many sci-fi shows go this route.

Here we're talking about a complex space drama, ship to ship fights, politics and character development that is slow moving (though clear when you look at the big picture), more akin to Babylon 5 in many ways. B5 started out with a planned series of plots and did well initially. But when they wrapped it up it was dying on TV ratings. And let's all face it, technology and comparing it to wet water navy battle actions is a big part of the series. Yes, we all love Honor and many other characters who grow with us through the series, but the tech base is a big part of the books. That could be glossed over in the movie with some mumbo jumbo and hand waving, just say we have better phasers and move on, but I don't think an Honor series would find a firm hold on the small or large screen. It's too complex and the details are too integral a part of what makes it so good to all of us.
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Re: Updates from David
Post by Annachie   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:38 am

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Babylon 5, Stargate, Battlestar Galactica. Especially Stargate.

Oh, and for the ultimate, Dr. Who.

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Re: Updates from David
Post by MaxxQ   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:34 am

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Annachie wrote:Babylon 5, Stargate, Battlestar Galactica. Especially Stargate.

Oh, and for the ultimate, Dr. Who.

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I don't know anything about Stargate, as I only ever saw the original movie, but both B5 and BSG were on the edge of cancellation from seasons 3 on. That's why B5 season 4 wrapped up as quickly as possible the main overarching plotline, and then had a disappointing/disjointed 5th season.

IIRC, BSGs final season was a bit hit or miss due to having to be more or less made up as they went, because they thought they weren't going to be renewed.
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Re: Updates from David
Post by saber964   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:16 am

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MaxxQ wrote:
Annachie wrote:Babylon 5, Stargate, Battlestar Galactica. Especially Stargate.

Oh, and for the ultimate, Dr. Who.

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I don't know anything about Stargate, as I only ever saw the original movie, but both B5 and BSG were on the edge of cancellation from seasons 3 on. That's why B5 season 4 wrapped up as quickly as possible the main overarching plotline, and then had a disappointing/disjointed 5th season.

IIRC, BSGs final season was a bit hit or miss due to having to be more or less made up as they went, because they thought they weren't going to be renewed.

Try Stargate SG1 it is an excellent science fiction series. In fact all of the series were good though I didn't personally care for Stargate Universe. You could probably rent it from Netflix.
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Re: Updates from David
Post by darrell   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:42 am

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WeberFan wrote:Duckk:

Thanks a whole bunch for the update :D . While I think we'd all like David's "work product" sooner rather than later, I definitely understand and empathize! The more important thing for me is that David and Sharon are doing well and his creative juices are flowing smoothly.


Agreed. Would rather have 1 good book than 2 bad books.

although, what is wrong with a dozen more good books? :lol:
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Re: Updates from David
Post by aairfccha   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:00 pm

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MaxxQ wrote:IIRC, BSGs final season was a bit hit or miss due to having to be more or less made up as they went, because they thought they weren't going to be renewed.

Don't forget B5 Crusade - cancelled before the first broadcast, not even the first season was completed.
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Re: Updates from David
Post by Lunan   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:23 pm

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To me. Game of thrones is the example to follow

1. David KNOWS where the series ends (GRRM has stated numours times he has no idea what hes doing, this is why it take 8 years for a book)
2. an in depth universe like honor could best be told episodically over many seasons with actors lock in to long term deals
3. several honor books or stories could be turned into "b" and "c" plot lines (zilwici on earth, torch, alot of talbot issues, basilisk issues, the annexing of trevors star, can all play out in the side plots with the main focus on honor.
4. assuming things go well some of the side or less important books can be turned into between season specials.

i also think this can be done sucseffuly with the dragonriders of pern
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Re: Updates from David
Post by mhicks   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:59 pm

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Maldorian wrote:
David really should look into the recent deal that Patrick Rothfuss signed. Rothfuss has what may be, at most, a 4-5 book series that has decent writing. And he landed a multi-platform media deal (with a studio like Lionsgate!). Someone with the universe that Weber has created here should be able to negotiate a mega-deal with a major studio for a multi platform creation.

Just talking here, but look at Game of Thrones and Marvel as an example. With the right studio, Weber could have a 10-season tv show with a blockbuster movie every 2 years dealing with a 'high point' of the series. And the ability to create spin-offs (Beautiful Friendship, Manticore Rising, 'Adventures of Cachet and Zilwicki', etc...) would entice any studio. Basically - Hollywood is screaming for original content they can put their writer-slaves to work turning into film - Weber has that original content that is highly appealing.




I would like a good TV series or some movies for Cinema, but there is a big Problem: "The big Studios fears science fiction like the devil the holy water!"

If they want to make a good scifi movie/TV series, they have to spend a lot of money to create the world and all the special effects. It´s a lot of risk. It is a very hard work to convince a studio to spend hundreds of million Dollar into such a Project.



Safehold is easy sets, pick a castle and old time stuff that is already used now. reuse sets for Game of Thrones, Loard of the Rings, and Outlander... the list grows, boats from the Pirates of the Caribbean. No need for big space ships and futuristic stuff once humanity makes it to Safehold.
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Re: Updates from David
Post by noblehunter   » Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:22 pm

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I think War God's Own would be an easier sell for TV than Honor or Safehold. The style and humor would translate better and there aren't as many info dumps to try and translate. Not to mention fewer plot points where people are just sitting around talking.

It puts me in mind of a less campy version of Xena/Hercules.
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