How much Technology was Stolen

Bill Woods wrote: Crandall added FF Commander Hago Shavarshyan to her staff at some point. Oddly enough, Adm. O'Cleary had "My staff intelligence officer, Rear Admiral Lavinia Fairfax." A fairly high rank, considering O'Cleary is only, what, a task group commander? Filareta's intelligence officer is only a commodore.

By Haven Quadrant standards, they're both absurdly senior for their roles; one of the symptoms of the SLN's sclerotic state is the over-abundance of Admirals. As for the discrepancy in ranks, that's easily-attributable to the institutional horse-trading and nepotism of the SLN; Filareta's intel officer had a lot of powerful patrons and got a plum assignment (as far as anyone knew) at a comparitively (by SLN standards) junior rank, whereas RAdm Fairfax didn't have as much backing and so got a lesser position.

We are talking about three DDs that were hammered at essentially zero range by multiple BC weapons hits, including energy mounts and had no survivors.

How many battles have we seen between the Peeps and RMN (with or without allied forces) where ships of RMN forces at BC up thorugh SD size have been damaged but not destroyed and surrendered or captured? If the Peeps couldn't recover any usable tec from captured or damaged ships (weapons, electronics, sensors, drones, drives, compensators, impeller nodes etc, etc, etc) just how is the SLN (or "civilian" contractors) supposed to be able to get anything out of the three DD?. Sure, the Peeps had a lower education base and lower tech plus could not actually come near what Manticore did with size, but they were not compleat idiots.

I would think that there was anything left to analyze beyond -if they could find/catch up with it- enough to get some materials for metalurgy testing.Once Mike showed up, nothing on those SLN BCs would have gone anywhere unless it had already been sent down to an embasy or off in a DB before she came over the wall

If you go back a few pages in this topic thread you'll see some calculations that I posted which show that the energy input would have been 5 orders of magnitude more than what is required to BOIL 150kt of iron.

Couple that with the radiation released by the gamma rays and it seems clear that there would have been nothing left but a cloud of very hot radioactive gas/plasma.

Things have survived very close to detonating nuclear warheads during the above ground tests.

kzt wrote:Things have survived very close to detonating nuclear warheads during the above ground tests.

True, but how does that translate to being hit in space by concentrated gamma ray beams?

Also consider the relative energy output of those detonations compared to the output of the BC class grasers we are talking about.

Also the energy of a detonation is roughly distributed spherically/radially. The energy of a graser is delivered along a single axis.

BobfromSydney wrote:Also the energy of a detonation is roughly distributed spherically/radially. The energy of a graser is delivered along a single axis.

Consider also the geometry of the situation. All of Byng's task force was on the same side of Chatterjeee's three destroyers. There was probably a spray of debris away from the SLN ships, but, with the number of ships firing, each piece of debris would likely have been ejected into (or exposed to) another Graser beam and further reduced into a spray of even smaller debris.

For a variety of reasons -- Byng's NIH and anti-Manticore prejudices, degree of destruction, the distraction of the Space Station blowing up and requiring SAR assistance, etc -- there was no effort made to search for technology even if there had been any surviving technology to find.

Weird Harold wrote:

BobfromSydney wrote:Also the energy of a detonation is roughly distributed spherically/radially. The energy of a graser is delivered along a single axis.

Consider also the geometry of the situation. All of Byng's task force was on the same side of Chatterjeee's three destroyers. There was probably a spray of debris away from the SLN ships, but, with the number of ships firing, each piece of debris would likely have been ejected into (or exposed to) another Graser beam and further reduced into a spray of even smaller debris.

For a variety of reasons -- Byng's NIH and anti-Manticore prejudices, degree of destruction, the distraction of the Space Station blowing up and requiring SAR assistance, etc -- there was no effort made to search for technology even if there had been any surviving technology to find.

Don't forget each ship had 2 fusion reactors blow in addition to the grazer hits. The damage done by the grazers was just a small fraction of the energy released.

Weird Harold wrote:

BobfromSydney wrote:Also the energy of a detonation is roughly distributed spherically/radially. The energy of a graser is delivered along a single axis.

Consider also the geometry of the situation. All of Byng's task force was on the same side of Chatterjeee's three destroyers. There was probably a spray of debris away from the SLN ships, but, with the number of ships firing, each piece of debris would likely have been ejected into (or exposed to) another Graser beam and further reduced into a spray of even smaller debris.

For a variety of reasons -- Byng's NIH and anti-Manticore prejudices, degree of destruction, the distraction of the Space Station blowing up and requiring SAR assistance, etc -- there was no effort made to search for technology even if there had been any surviving technology to find.

Theemile wrote:Don't forget each ship had 2 fusion reactors blow in addition to the grazer hits. The damage done by the grazers was just a small fraction of the energy released.

But we're talking about a Navy that didn't give a flying truck about intact and functional Manty hardware. The SLN -- and certainly Byng -- had NO respect at all for inferior technology. None! Why would they want to sift through debris? They probably didn't even look for survivors -- on the off chance there might be one lucky bastard. Besides, everyone but Byng was in shock over the blatant murders and Byng was too worried about his career.