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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:16 am

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n7axw wrote:My own notion is that the slaver falls afoul of a Torch or BSC patrol who notices that Zach and Gail are being held in custody and begins to ask questions why...

Don

Certainly one possibility, but it would be more fun my way.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by Annachie   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:29 am

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kzt wrote:Well, I'm sure that Putin is deterred by the threat of angering Canada too. And Canada can project a lot more power halfway across the planet than can a bunch of lightly armed irregulars.

Putin is solved. Our glorious Prime Minister shirtfrontef hom and sloved that situation. Just ask our PM.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by JohnRoth   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:15 pm

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n7axw wrote:One of three people we know about. Houdini was too complex and hurried not to have loose ends that no one can control.

Also, minor nit: as of the end of end of COG, Zach and Gail are still confined to quarters on that slaver. Their Gaul keeper is dead, but they are not free.

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The problem is that there is no textev that Zach and Gail know where they are to go next. I can't believe that the slaver is going to go directly to their final destination (Darius?), and that the GAUL was the possessor of the itinerary. How that resolves will undoubtedly be handled in the next book or two, and will probably play a major role in foiling the MAlign's plans.


n7axw wrote:I agree with that. My only comment was to note that since they are still on that slaver, they are not yet free as of COG. That, of course, is subject to change. But let's not jump the gun.

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So let's engage in some rampant speculation while we wait for RFC to write the next novel.

When the slaver gets to his next destination, he is going to hand Zach and Gail off to whom? The local Manpower manager? What's he going to do? Zach and Gail stick to their story that their escort went crazy, shot one of his charges for no reason, and they killed him in self defense. They certainly aren't going to tell him "Hi, we're part of a super secret cabal that has been running Mesa for the last 600 years, and we've kind of lost our way." I suspect the manager says, "None of my business, get off of my ship, and get lost." Now Zach and Gail can hope that another ship comes through with an escorted group on it, but the danger there is that the GAUL associated with it might well decide that the safest thing to do is kill them both, and anyone else they might have talked to just to preserve the secret that they may or may not have blabbed. Therefore talking to another GAUL is contraindicated.

I'm not sure what they are going to do at that point. So far, it appears that the two of them are still committed to the goals of the Alignment, but if they are on a station for any period of time, they will probably hear about what happened on Mesa, and they may flip flop - in which case they will be trying to find a way to get to Manticore. Suggestions?


I still think their most likely destination is Parmley Station. Granted, RFC could have them dropped off somewhere else, but given that he's sort of said he's wrapping it up in two more books, I don't see a subthread of them wandering all over the place.

I also suspect that their traveling orders are (supposed to be) waiting on their next destination; I don't see the GAUL having them.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by Jonathan_S   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:35 pm

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JohnRoth wrote:I still think their most likely destination is Parmley Station. Granted, RFC could have them dropped off somewhere else, but given that he's sort of said he's wrapping it up in two more books, I don't see a subthread of them wandering all over the place.

I also suspect that their traveling orders are (supposed to be) waiting on their next destination; I don't see the GAUL having them.
I'd go one farther and say that the orders are waiting at their next destination, but they'd be encrypted or encoded, and only the GAUL had the key or code to decipher them. (Or possibly the orders were with the GAUL but encrypted and needed key/data the GAUL and the station had to decrypt the next one)

Either way that kind of separation protects (to some degree) against a GAUL deliberately, or accidentally, leaking the itinerary and final destination, but also protects against the way stations snooping and reading the travel orders. (Actually the 2nd might be better because then you aren't sending encrypted data all over space where the traffic itself might be noticed and subject to traffic analysis - the station decryption piece can be some key they already have since it's primary purpose is to keep the GAUL from looking ahead at the entire itinerary)
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by Hutch   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:51 pm

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Annachie wrote:
kzt wrote:Well, I'm sure that Putin is deterred by the threat of angering Canada too. And Canada can project a lot more power halfway across the planet than can a bunch of lightly armed irregulars.

Putin is solved. Our glorious Prime Minister shirtfrontef hom and sloved that situation. Just ask our PM.


*Apologies for derail*

Given the greater use of Canadian oil shale and the subsequent lowering of oil prices, Putin is finding himself in economic troubles (50% or so of the Russian Government budget is based on oil sales), so maybe he doesn't want to anger Canada....

*Again, apologies for derail.*
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:55 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:
JohnRoth wrote:I still think their most likely destination is Parmley Station. Granted, RFC could have them dropped off somewhere else, but given that he's sort of said he's wrapping it up in two more books, I don't see a subthread of them wandering all over the place.

I also suspect that their traveling orders are (supposed to be) waiting on their next destination; I don't see the GAUL having them.
I'd go one farther and say that the orders are waiting at their next destination, but they'd be encrypted or encoded, and only the GAUL had the key or code to decipher them. (Or possibly the orders were with the GAUL but encrypted and needed key/data the GAUL and the station had to decrypt the next one)

Either way that kind of separation protects (to some degree) against a GAUL deliberately, or accidentally, leaking the itinerary and final destination, but also protects against the way stations snooping and reading the travel orders. (Actually the 2nd might be better because then you aren't sending encrypted data all over space where the traffic itself might be noticed and subject to traffic analysis - the station decryption piece can be some key they already have since it's primary purpose is to keep the GAUL from looking ahead at the entire itinerary)

I consider the second to be a good possibility. You don't want the station to know what is going on, so it would be a key that the station normally uses. Given the fanatical efforts the MAlign has gone to to prevent any knowledge of Houdini getting out, it doesn't want a bunch of stations with the knowledge that something special is happening.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by George J. Smith   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:48 pm

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JohnRoth wrote:I still think their most likely destination is Parmley Station. Granted, RFC could have them dropped off somewhere else, but given that he's sort of said he's wrapping it up in two more books, I don't see a subthread of them wandering all over the place.

I also suspect that their traveling orders are (supposed to be) waiting on their next destination; I don't see the GAUL having them.


Given that the RTN ships came from Parmley Station when they attacked the way-station and the 2 passenger ships, and the course plotted by both ships was away from the direction the RTN was coming from, I doubt if the next destination was Parmley Station.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:54 pm

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JohnRoth wrote:
I also suspect that their traveling orders are (supposed to be) waiting on their next destination; I don't see the GAUL having them.


I can't see the GAUL not having them. They were trusting these guys to shepherd their charges, up to and including killing them and themselves in such a fashion as to preclude anyone actually discovering they had existed. Given that you have such (dedicated? fanatical?) individuals doing the escorting, why wouldn't you give them the itinerary? That way only they have to know what is going on.
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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by stewart   » Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:04 am

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Given the greater use of Canadian oil shale and the subsequent lowering of oil prices, Putin is finding himself in economic troubles (50% or so of the Russian Government budget is based on oil sales), so maybe he doesn't want to anger Canada....

*Again, apologies for derail.*[/quote]


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Re: Audrey O’Hanrahan
Post by Hutch   » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:48 am

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I can't see Parmley Station being the 'trap' for MAlignment, albeit Weber/Flint have set up the possiblity in CoG. It was always a small-time operation and one reason the BSC is establishing a base there is because it is off the beaten path (catching the occassional slaver is a bonus, IMHO).

So I can't see the MAlignment, fanantical as they are about security for Houdini, routing Alphas via and small and inconsequential base that is not under their control (they not knowing it has changed ownership to the BSC).

IMHO as always. YMMV,
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