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Re: Uncomprisingly good
Post by JohnRoth   » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:34 pm

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Henry Brown wrote:Yes it is very, very good. But I am not sure if it truly is the final book.

********Spoiler Warning for Uncompromising Honor*******


They never did find Darius and get the MALIGN. And based on the way that Victor, Anton, and Firebrand headed to Mesa to investigate, I think there is going to be at least one more book featuring them. However, I think it would a book featuring them and probably Mike Henke. So I guess this is the final Honor book in a sense.


A book wrapping up the Mesa arc would be very, very good, but it's not the kind of book that I think RFC wants to write, and not the kind of book that most Honorverse fans would like to see, because they can't be allowed to find a clear pointer to either Darius or the RF.

No space battles, no resolution for the MAlign arc. Also, remember that Victor and, to a large extent Anton, are Eric's characters. It would almost have to be a collaboration between David and Eric, and those have not ended well due to the logistics of the collaboration.
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Re: Uncomprisingly good
Post by ldwechsler   » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:45 pm

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JohnRoth wrote:
Henry Brown wrote:Yes it is very, very good. But I am not sure if it truly is the final book.

********Spoiler Warning for Uncompromising Honor*******


They never did find Darius and get the MALIGN. And based on the way that Victor, Anton, and Firebrand headed to Mesa to investigate, I think there is going to be at least one more book featuring them. However, I think it would a book featuring them and probably Mike Henke. So I guess this is the final Honor book in a sense.


A book wrapping up the Mesa arc would be very, very good, but it's not the kind of book that I think RFC wants to write, and not the kind of book that most Honorverse fans would like to see, because they can't be allowed to find a clear pointer to either Darius or the RF.

No space battles, no resolution for the MAlign arc. Also, remember that Victor and, to a large extent Anton, are Eric's characters. It would almost have to be a collaboration between David and Eric, and those have not ended well due to the logistics of the collaboration.



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Not everything has to be fully wrapped. Mesa is no longer a real issue. In a sense, that was established in the previous book (s) when the occupations army was discussed.

It sounds like there is no real problem there.

As for a lot of the people's futures, this book takes place over eight months. Not much can happen.

If there is another arc and it takes place in 20 years, we will probably know more about what happens to the characters. For example, there will be pressure on Mike Hencke to marry. Others will marry because, well, that's what people do in that universve.

Twenty years later, the older members of the "cast" will be retired. A lot of captains will be admirals. And our youngsters will be captains.

Honor will be a secondary figure...perhaps doing politics.

Imagine how interesting it will be for any of the Alexander-Harrington kids at the Academy. Tough to live up to to.
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Re: Uncomprisingly good
Post by George J. Smith   » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:59 pm

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I'm glad you liked it. :D

One reason it can move as quickly as it does is that I put the building blocks in place in the earlier books. I've talked about the one thing that I would've (and should have) changed in Shadow of Victory if my health had been better (and my head had been clear), but without the work I spent on characters there, a couple of significant plot strands in Uncompromising would have had no place to stand.

I will say, quite frankly — and I've said this at conventions — that the change that was forced at the conclusion of At All Costs created major problems with my original plan for the war against the Solarian League. I mean, major problems. In a way, I found myself in the position of the producers of a successful television series who know their series is going to run for five seasons, for which they have crafted a tightly plotted story arc that comes to a full and satisfying conclusion . . . only to discover at the very end of Season Five that they've been renewed for another three seasons. Everything was set to go into limbo for twenty years after Honor's death . . . until she didn't die. :roll:

As I've said before, overall I'm delighted that she didn't, but I had to find a way to fight a hard war against a navy which was totally out-classed because it was supposed to have twenty more years in which to get a clue about its probable opposition and didn't get them. At the end of the day, at the close of Uncompromising Honor, we are very much where I originally intended to be at the close of the war against the Solarian League, except that it was going to be either Alexander McKeon or Michelle Henke having the conversation with Elizabeth in the final chapter. And, of course, the "Harrington torch" would've been passed to Raoul and any of his siblings.

I've always been aware that there were aspects of how the story changed following Alastair's death and Lester Tourville's surrender that weren't everyone's cup of tea. I was wrangling treecats at the time, however, and they have very sharp and very pointy claws.

At the end of the day, I'm satisfied with Uncompromising Honor and where it leaves the primary characters and the interstellar political and diplomatic system of the Honorverse.

Which doesn't mean that I won't go back and poke up the fire again sometime in the near future. :lol:


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I note the plural, Honor & Hamish to have more children?
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by clancy688   » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:24 pm

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HEAVY SPOILERS FOLLOWING

(Though this is kinda silly to write in a thread which is marked as (SPOILERS). Just making sure that nobody cries in the end. :D )














My wtf moment of the novel:

The Harrington-genome is actually a Mesan-Alignment Alpha-line gone AWOL. :shock: :o

Didn't see that coming at all.



I liked how the book tied things up. I was always wondering how RFC would manage to bring the Malign down in just one book... but he didn't have to. :D

Just tied up the war with the Solarian League and left the debris field for the next generation to clean up. Nice. ^^

If I've got *any* grievances with the book, it's that I feel like RFC's has cheated a bit on his "I write military SciFi, and in that people die" philosophy.

The first thing which rubbed me wrong was that both Captain Peterson's lover and Admiral Kotouc had the luck to belong to the 3% of the people which survived.
I mean, from an emotional standpoint it's nice. I just thought that... it was kinda unlikely for this to happen. 97% of them die, but among the survivors are the hero and a love interest. Dunno... ^^;

Same goes for Hamish's and Jacques' survival, just way more. That really felt like a totally-predictable emotional upbeat moment from any cheap flick. Where you *know* that something bad will happen, but that in the end everything will be good - because that's what the ancient script dictates.

I felt like "Wow, that's really hard on Honor." when all of it happened. "I didn't think she'd get it this hard."
But when the rescue party found something, I immediately went to "Oh my God... is RFC really doing know what I think he's doing? But but but... he can't! That would be cheesy to the max!"
Imho, the better way would have been to let the reader know (after a short chapter of uncertainty) that they survived but still were in some danger. And on Honor's side, nothing would have changed at all.




But apart from this I liked it.

And a nice Reverse Chekhov's Gun again. Quite literally. :D
I fully expected a Mesan assassination party to pop up when the tree-cats got their guns. Instead... nothing happens. :D
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Re: Uncomprisingly good
Post by clancy688   » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:29 pm

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George J. Smith wrote:I note the plural, Honor & Hamish to have more children?


Sure...? There's Kathrine. And... there's the end of Uncompromising Honor. :D
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by phillies   » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:40 pm

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To repeat what I said elsewhere, a brilliant series closer (until seasons 6-10 are needed) by the world's greatest science fiction author.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by kzt   » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:46 pm

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it’s really very good. I’m at 80% and I only have seen 3 things that made me go hey!. One typo, one continuity huh? And one tactical issue. But so far it’s worth the wait.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Torlek   » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:33 pm

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clancy688 wrote:HEAVY SPOILERS FOLLOWING

My wtf moment of the novel:

The Harrington-genome is actually a Mesan-Alignment Alpha-line gone AWOL. :shock: :o


If I've got *any* grievances with the book, it's that I feel like RFC's has cheated a bit on his "I write military SciFi, and in that people die" philosophy.
:D


I would concur with that opinion. In general, the book was a bit deus ex machiny for my taste. The miraculous survival of some characters. One raid against Sol and all of a sudden reasonable people take over the SL. The accuse everybody and if you keel over dead you were guilty school of counter-intelligence.

Also not a fan of the violations the Chekov's gun principle in the last few books. I know it is a potentially unending multibook series so some dangling threads are okay but lots of story lines have been going nowhere lately. Zachariah McBryde story went nowhere. 3 of the five protectorate uprising in SoV had almost no bearing on this book, despite what we have been told here. How the whole Mayan secession storyline contributed to the story beyond reinforcing the SL fraying on the edges and various people working to prevent violence escapes me.

The Villian idiot ball continues. The MA after the Yawata Strike again provides evidence that there is a third player by destroying Mycroft and SL ignores it. Mandarins continue to believe their own propaganda. MA leadership become positively unhinged because their enemies dare to fight back.
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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by cthia   » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:32 am

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Torlek wrote:Spoilers

clancy688 wrote:HEAVY SPOILERS FOLLOWING

My wtf moment of the novel:

The Harrington-genome is actually a Mesan-Alignment Alpha-line gone AWOL. :shock: :o


If I've got *any* grievances with the book, it's that I feel like RFC's has cheated a bit on his "I write military SciFi, and in that people die" philosophy.
:D


I would concur with that opinion. In general, the book was a bit deus ex machiny for my taste. The miraculous survival of some characters. One raid against Sol and all of a sudden reasonable people take over the SL. The accuse everybody and if you keel over dead you were guilty school of counter-intelligence.

Also not a fan of the violations the Chekov's gun principle in the last few books. I know it is a potentially unending multibook series so some dangling threads are okay but lots of story lines have been going nowhere lately. Zachariah McBryde story went nowhere. 3 of the five protectorate uprising in SoV had almost no bearing on this book, despite what we have been told here. How the whole Mayan secession storyline contributed to the story beyond reinforcing the SL fraying on the edges and various people working to prevent violence escapes me.

The Villian idiot ball continues. The MA after the Yawata Strike again provides evidence that there is a third player by destroying Mycroft and SL ignores it. Mandarins continue to believe their own propaganda. MA leadership become positively unhinged because their enemies dare to fight back.
Pardon my bold to call attention.

It is because daddy Detweiler is dead and the baton has been passed down to someone with a little more sense of doom and dread, with a watered down version and vision of the overall malignant plan. Also as I've predicted, over in the Detweiler and Sons thread.

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Re: (SPOILERS) Uncomprisingly good
Post by Torlek   » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:07 am

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cthia wrote:
It is because daddy Detweiler is dead and the baton has been passed down to someone with a little more sense of doom and dread, with a watered down version and vision of the overall malignant plan. Also as I've predicted, over in the Detweiler and Sons thread.


I got how if you combine autocratic decision making, with emotionally compromised decision makers you can get such a result. However, I prefer stories with smart villains.

For the same reason, it was idiotic to send Honor to Sol. Any marginally competent Admiral could have executed that turkey shoot. They were obviously worried that Honor would do something or they would not have sent WH on the record run (which was also unnecessarily risky. Why didn't a dispatch boat with a personal message do the record run, while WH follows soon after at a safer pace). Even if they wanted Honor to do her best "Go ahead.Make my day" they could have sent her as a figurehead or with somebody that could veto her.
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