Brave New Worlds-Political Changes in the Honorverse

drothgery wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:I get the opposite impression; I've pictured the Judean League as "Israel In Space," an isolationist preserve separate from any other political loyalty.

I'm almost certain there's Word of God (aka RFC) that the Judean League members are part of the Solarian League (pending the collapse of said league).

Oh, by the way, in regard to your question about the Judean League. I'm afraid it is part of the Solarian League, but its sympathies are definitely not with the "Mandarins," as Kolokoltsov and his buddies have been christened by the Solarian newsies. I haven't entirely decided how the JL will play out in the League's internal dynamics as the situation with the Star Empire goes further and further into the crapper, but I think you can take it for granted that Kolokoltsov won't like whatever it ends up doing. [EG]

JeffEngel wrote:

drothgery wrote:
I'm almost certain there's Word of God (aka RFC) that the Judean League members are part of the Solarian League (pending the collapse of said league).

Please see: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/288/1

Specifically:

Oh, by the way, in regard to your question about the Judean League. I'm afraid it is part of the Solarian League, but its sympathies are definitely not with the "Mandarins," as Kolokoltsov and his buddies have been christened by the Solarian newsies. I haven't entirely decided how the JL will play out in the League's internal dynamics as the situation with the Star Empire goes further and further into the crapper, but I think you can take it for granted that Kolokoltsov won't like whatever it ends up doing. [EG]

It's also notable for being among the political entities that joined the League as multistellar states, rather than single systems.

runsforcelery wrote: Oh, by the way, in regard to your question about the Judean League. I'm afraid it is part of the Solarian League, but its sympathies are definitely not with the "Mandarins," as Kolokoltsov and his buddies have been christened by the Solarian newsies. I haven't entirely decided how the JL will play out in the League's internal dynamics as the situation with the Star Empire goes further and further into the crapper, but I think you can take it for granted that Kolokoltsov won't like whatever it ends up doing. [EG]

akira.taylor wrote:Do you have a quote for that last point? I could have sworn Weber said there weren't any multi-system polities in the League. (Now, that doesn't mean a multi-system polity didn't join, just that it did so as several systems, not a single unit.)

SharkHunter wrote:--snipping--
Please see: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/288/1

Specifically:

runsforcelery wrote: Oh, by the way, in regard to your question about the Judean League. I'm afraid it is part of the Solarian League, but its sympathies are definitely not with the "Mandarins," as Kolokoltsov and his buddies have been christened by the Solarian newsies. I haven't entirely decided how the JL will play out in the League's internal dynamics as the situation with the Star Empire goes further and further into the crapper, but I think you can take it for granted that Kolokoltsov won't like whatever it ends up doing. [EG]

I don't think David has said, but my impression wasn't that the JL had it's own star systems, so much as it exists in much of the League as a significant piece of the populace that isn't about to go along with the Mandarins when push come to shove, especially because the GA has taken the wheel in terms of defending true freedoms.

Thoughts? agree/disagree/textev?

The quote you've used is being taken somewhat out of context (which may well be my fault because of the way in which it was phrased). There are not numerous subunits which consist of multi-system star nations within the League. There are, rather, political alliances of mutually independent star systems which form local political alliances within the League. The situation I'm trying to describe here would be analagous to the sectional alliances within the US before the American Civil War (although without the overtones of mutual antagonism), or of the alliance of "Western fire eaters" who wanted war with Great Britain in 1812 (because they hoped to grab off Canada) as opposed to the Nprtheastern states which opposed the War of 1812 because of their (accurate) fear for its effect on their economies when the blockade clamped down. There are at least two multui-system star nations which (officially) surrendered their sovereignty when they joined the SL (and whose members operate in very close political alliance within the League to this day) but there are no official multi-system political units within the League.

Now for the purposes of the original discussion (as I underdstand it) --- that there are, within the League's current boundaries, multi-system units which could combine their resources to build a potent naval force --- it doesn't really matter whether or not they are formally politically united at this time. What matters is that they're neighboring systems with a tradition of working together. Which, after all, is exactly what the Mesan Alignment is planning to rely on in the Renaissance Factor, when all's said and done.