Dream Teams: Grand Alliance Edition

saber964 wrote:Abby Hearn's likely career track will probably be like this;

Current post
TO DD
next posts
ATO CL/CAx2
TO CA
ATO BC
TO BC
XO DD
XO CL/CA
XO BC
Possibly a DD command at this point

I must most humbly disagree with you on Abby's potential career track.

At this point in her career, she is bound for one of two places. She will either end up as the TO of a cruiser squadron or XO of a DD/CL/CA. Where she goes will depend on when she makes Lt. CMDR. If she is slated for promotion very soon, it will be the XO slot. If it is still going to be a while, it will be the squadron staff position. My personal bet is on the squadron TO slot. Preferably in a joint RMN/GSN/RHN effort, under an RMN CO with an RHN Chief of Staff. This posting will happen sooner rather than later, as the GSN has been grooming her for flag rank since graduation.

If she ends up as someone's XO, the following posting will be to a staff position, probably as Chief of Staff to a very senior Captain or junior Commodore. If she does her staff rotation next, she will end up as someone's XO in a heavier ship. Either path will end up with her in command of a cruiser of her own, either in the RMN or GSN.

The step after her own ship will be a cruiser squadron (in 8 or 9 years) of her own.

KNick wrote:SNIP

At this point in her career, she is bound for one of two places. She will either end up as the TO of a cruiser squadron or XO of a DD/CL/CA. Where she goes will depend on when she makes Lt. CMDR. If she is slated for promotion very soon, it will be the XO slot. If it is still going to be a while, it will be the squadron staff position. My personal bet is on the squadron TO slot. Preferably in a joint RMN/GSN/RHN effort, under an RMN CO with an RHN Chief of Staff. This posting will happen sooner rather than later, as the GSN has been grooming her for flag rank since graduation.

If she ends up as someone's XO, the following posting will be to a staff position, probably as Chief of Staff to a very senior Captain or junior Commodore. If she does her staff rotation next, she will end up as someone's XO in a heavier ship. Either path will end up with her in command of a cruiser of her own, either in the RMN or GSN.

The step after her own ship will be a cruiser squadron (in 8 or 9 years) of her own.

...can someone fetch me a mop for that drool?

The dread author will put Abigail Hearns as an officer on some ship doing deep penetration raids. There will be a battle, in which the Invincible Solarian League Navy contrary to most expectations here despite their performance in the Manticore Turkey Shoot actually manages to score one hit on her ship, leaving her as the senior officer on board not in medical suspended animation.

See, if you want to create scenarios that you can be reasonably confident that the dread author will not use, you can do it.

KNick wrote:

saber964 wrote:Abby Hearn's likely career track will probably be like this;

Current post
TO DD
next posts
ATO CL/CAx2
TO CA
ATO BC
TO BC
XO DD
XO CL/CA
XO BC
Possibly a DD command at this point

I must most humbly disagree with you on Abby's potential career track.

At this point in her career, she is bound for one of two places. She will either end up as the TO of a cruiser squadron or XO of a DD/CL/CA. Where she goes will depend on when she makes Lt. CMDR. If she is slated for promotion very soon, it will be the XO slot. If it is still going to be a while, it will be the squadron staff position. My personal bet is on the squadron TO slot. Preferably in a joint RMN/GSN/RHN effort, under an RMN CO with an RHN Chief of Staff. This posting will happen sooner rather than later, as the GSN has been grooming her for flag rank since graduation.

If she ends up as someone's XO, the following posting will be to a staff position, probably as Chief of Staff to a very senior Captain or junior Commodore. If she does her staff rotation next, she will end up as someone's XO in a heavier ship. Either path will end up with her in command of a cruiser of her own, either in the RMN or GSN.

The step after her own ship will be a cruiser squadron (in 8 or 9 years) of her own.

I would rather her go to the Crusher then command of a Roland when she hits Lieutenant Commander but yeah that isn't very likely.

Roguevictory wrote:I would rather her go to the Crusher then command of a Roland when she hits Lieutenant Commander but yeah that isn't very likely.

She'll be getting a staff job soon, no question, but she might well get her half-stripe, do the Crusher and then return to the GSN to command a Paul-class destroyer (the GSN version of the Roland, for anyone who hasn't read House of Steel. That was she could pass on her experience with the Mark 16 and get a command onto her personnel file before going on to a staff post.

KNick wrote:

saber964 wrote:Abby Hearn's likely career track will probably be like this;

Current post
TO DD
next posts
ATO CL/CAx2
TO CA
ATO BC
TO BC
XO DD
XO CL/CA
XO BC
Possibly a DD command at this point

I must most humbly disagree with you on Abby's potential career track.

At this point in her career, she is bound for one of two places. She will either end up as the TO of a cruiser squadron or XO of a DD/CL/CA. Where she goes will depend on when she makes Lt. CMDR. If she is slated for promotion very soon, it will be the XO slot. If it is still going to be a while, it will be the squadron staff position. My personal bet is on the squadron TO slot. Preferably in a joint RMN/GSN/RHN effort, under an RMN CO with an RHN Chief of Staff. This posting will happen sooner rather than later, as the GSN has been grooming her for flag rank since graduation.

If she ends up as someone's XO, the following posting will be to a staff position, probably as Chief of Staff to a very senior Captain or junior Commodore. If she does her staff rotation next, she will end up as someone's XO in a heavier ship. Either path will end up with her in command of a cruiser of her own, either in the RMN or GSN.

The step after her own ship will be a cruiser squadron (in 8 or 9 years) of her own.

You have to take into account of Prolong, which makes for very long careers look at Honors posts in her earlier career. Abby may get pushed up a little faster but there will be a breaking effect on her career and she'll have to put in the time to advance hear career.

Dafmeister wrote:She'll be getting a staff job soon, no question, ...

She needs some career broadening awy from a pure tactical track. How about a stint on Shannon Forracker's R&D Staff?

cthia wrote:
I'll definitely revisit this thread! But in the meantime in between time just let me throw my pet dream team out there.

Abigail Hearns and Honor Harrington on the same SD together. Can you imagine the sweet little defiant wannabe spacer, who once stared up at the heavens and saw it threaten to burst apart at the hands of hellbent religious fanatics attempting to conquer her world, miraculously realizing her dream which culminates with her serving aboard ship with the object of her hero worship? Well I surely can ... and it's awesomely, wonderfully thought provoking ... and ... sooooo-thing. (him purs like Eartha Kitt).

And I don't give a whole-rats-ass about the possibility that that may be an inefficient allocation of resources - simply because Abigail is ready for her own ship.

But I want it to happen anyway!

Moreover, my idea of a dream team extends outside a particular ship, to include other supporting ships off of Honor's starboard and port bows, cocked & locked full of equally enemy-toxic dream teams.

I'll get back to y'all ... busy weekend.

As promised I'd be back ... I'm back, exhausted from a wringer weekend.

I see my dreams of Abby has sparked interest. Okay then, me like. No one thinks it's possible for Abby to end up aboard ship with Honor. Might I remind all of you who Miss Owen's father is, and the object of her heroine-worship? They could pull strings for her. Oh it's true ... Oh it's true! Just thought I'd do a little name dropping, since Abby ain't here ta do it fer herself.

But seriously, you all can't deny how nice it would be if a drunk demon Murphy's inebriated character got his own wires crossed and made it so. Abby, Miss Hearns, the first Grayson-born woman to hold a GSN commission, and the first Grayson-born woman to attend the Royal Manticoran Naval Academy at Saganami Island coming full circle and serving aboard ship with Honor Harrington, the Queen of Grayson (oh it's true) would just be an astronomical event. Would any one of you deny that, or deny the 8 yr-old would be spacer her tears of joy?

I need a moment of tissue and silence ...

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Now. If it isn't likely to happen, it'd be just as nice to see a naval operation of GA ships with Honor supported by a squadron of Grayson ships with Abby perhaps serving aboard a Grayson ship. One Wesley Matthews could teach her a lot. Of course Yu could as well, but I'd rather see Abby serving with a Grayson Admiral, to really come full circle.

When Abby finally takes a ship, I'd like it to be freshly minted off the press, with a name worthy of such an astronomical event ...

GNS Astronimo! ... no no ...
GNS Awesome! ... no no ...
GNS Stunning! ... no no no ...

I GOT IT! ... GNS Magnificent!

Wait, isn't that taken already? Dammit man! ...

All I'm saying, is it would be a stroke of literary excellence if RFC would "Picard it so."

*I'm trying to told you.

Aside:
*This is a bit of Ebonics. My niece is quite fond of the phrase and she uses it ruthlessly. She's friends with a very sweet, intelligent little black girl who wants to be a neurosurgeon, following in the footsteps of both her parents.

"Tryin ta told ya" implies a bit of irritation at having said something to someone so many times to no avail. It speaks of a point in time where what one is trying to say has finally been assimilated and has clicked, spurring an "Oh I see," where one can now say "I told you so." Hence, I'm trying to told you.

Ebonics can be a quite beautiful and efficient language. A German professor once wrote that "language relearns itself."

There was the "Tower of Babel" biblical incident.

I said it fifty-leven times, language is NOT a "static" entity but "dynamic." Some grammatical rules beg to be broken. Such as double negatives. At times, "contextually", double negatives are a better choice.

For example, my 12 yr-old niece finds herself in a bit of a quandary. In the upcoming games (pauau (pow wow)) she has opportunity to ride her much faster horse to become the youngest rider to win a particular event, but there is a "traditional" event that occurs at the exact same time in which she "must" participate, to ensure that the "heralded trophy" stays in our family. Not knowing what to do and wanting to do both she stressfully says "I am not going to ride." Her older sister exclaims "You can't Not ride!"

Tierney can decide not to ride. It is her right to "not ride." Her older sister is simply saying that she cannot choose the "not ride" option because then my family will lose a string of 14 straight wins!

Here, contextually, the double negative is more communicative. The purpose of language is to communicate, and "live language," spoken language is "on the spot hot" and should have flexibility to adapt.

Interesting:
The triple negative. (from an online resource)
I cannot say that I do not disagree with you.
(This quote by Groucho Marx is a triple negative. If you follow it through logically, you'll find it means I disagree with you. Genius!)

cthia wrote:When Abby finally takes a ship, I'd like it to be freshly minted off the press, with a name worthy of such an astronomical event ...

GNS Astronimo! ... no no ...
GNS Awesome! ... no no ...
GNS Stunning! ... no no no ...

I GOT IT! ... GNS Magnificent!

Wait, isn't that taken already? Dammit man! ...

By the time Abigail is ready for a ship that size, an Honor Harrington II or Honor Harrington III should be ready to come off the ways for a newly minted Captain of the list.

I certainly could see her in a staff position eventually but I would expect things to cool down a bit before she does. It may very well end up happening sooner if someone need an Ops officer on their staff, like a certain Captain SG Tremaine perhaps? It would be a move within the current command she is serving in as well.

It's not like she's headed to Grayson without some kind of recall. Quite frankly, that might be the best moment in the books if she's recalled to testify before the Keys about events in Talbott and Mesa. I would dearly love to see her confrontation with Meuller and Canseco.

Ahh I dream of watching her slap that smug little schmidt down hard!