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by Mitchell, Esq. » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:08 am | |
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I think Caslet is a problem that the RoH would like to avoid addressing at this time.
An officer in the People's Navy who defected under threat from State Sec who then ended up as an officer in a foreign nobleman's personal navy...that ended up fighting against his former country - which, by the way, is under new management... of people who overthrew the government he fled for similar reasons. Caslet? Who? Never heard of him. So... about the Mean Alignment.... If he wanted to visit Haven, I doubt anything is going to happen for the simple reason he's likely assigned to a capitol ship that would be Most Displeased if a senior officer assigned to said ship was detained for what was essentially saving Honor Harrington's ass a while ago. Yeah. Detain him. That will go over SO well... "The release of Nuclear Weapons has been authorized." Well... |
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by hanuman » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:24 pm | |
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I think we all forget just how radically the astropolitical situation has changed. Should Caslet ever express a wish to visit his family, I suspect that he will be welcomed as a hero by the vast majority of Havenites. Remember Honor's current stature in Haven, after everything she has done to make a fair resolution of the war between Haven and Manticore possible - and since Caslet helped save her life, the Havenites are likely to forgive him for defecting in the first place. It's human nature: we like this 'final' outcome, so we like anyone who helped make it possible, maybe especially those of US who were involved. After all, the precedent of Pritchart and Theisman already exists. |
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by Michael Everett » Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:59 pm | |
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by Bahzellstudent » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:00 pm | |
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Exactly so - most of the powers that be in Haven are now 100% supporters of Honor now that they know how the Mesan Alignment manipulated the resumption of hostilities. So certainly Caslet visiting Haven would I suspect be welcomed - however, giving him an official pardon might still be too big a nut to swallow. |
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by wetnavy » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:18 pm | |
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In Echos of Honor, Parnell says to Caslett:
Later, Caslett makes his decision. With the approach of statesec ship to cerebus, Honor needs someone who 'sounds like a peep' and Caslett volunteers. She asks him why.
Even if Pritchard and Theisman accepted him back, and the story of how he wound up on cerberus and why were public knowledge, he wouldn't be accepted by the rank and file of the navy. “We stuck it out, we survivied. You ran to the enemy.” That would be the general feeling. Navy personnel wouldn't do anything about, but that attitude would be very evident. The public would feel the same but wouldn't be constrained by the military code of conduct. So, a fight or two, maybe escalating into a group beating, if Caslett were lucky. Otherwise, a knife in a back alley somewhere. And the same would happen to Yu. |
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by hanuman » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:25 pm | |
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this point. My feeling is that the situation has changed enough that Caslet would be forgiven for deserting. But that's my opinion, and I tend to fall more on the optimistic side of realism. |
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by wetnavy » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:53 pm | |
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No problem, I tend to fall on the more pessimistic side. At best, Caslet would be ignored completely, given no respect but no overt antagonism either. I would think that people who survived the previous regime would develop a deep patriotism for the new one, especially with the economic and social progress being made. There would be pride at it's accomplishments and the efforts made by it's military. But I still believe there would be a core of resentment for any reminders of statesec and the committee. Some would feel shame that they allowed something like that to happen even though they couldn't do anything about it. It wouldn't even matter what Caslet did so much as what he represents, a good man who was forced to betray his people and his oath. |
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by SpaceManSpiff » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:21 pm | |
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All the more reason to hold him up as a hero. Look at what Theisman did, he's considered a hero isn't he? |
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by wetnavy » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:05 pm | |
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Theisman defended the Republic, repatriated the constitution, led it's navy and overthrew a corrupt regime. To Havenites, he's a hero. Caslet saved Honor Harrington, helped her kill Havenites in battle of cerebus and marsh. He collaborated with and defected to the enemy. Is he a hero to Grayston and Manticore? Yes. To Haven? Not so much. |
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by hanuman » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:18 pm | |
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Wetnavy, we're starting to get stuck in a circular argument here. Yes, Caslet fought against the RHN at Sidemore, but by that time he was no longer considered - either legally or morally - a Havenite. He was sworn to the service of the Sword and a Grayson citizen. I think that, given the Theisman coup and the restoration of the Republic of Haven, Havenites would be far more forgiving than you give them credit for. Most people would understand that Caslet broke oath to a murderous regime that consisted of a bunch of traitors, and therefore his oath to the Committee was worthless in the first place. Yes, there will of course be some Havenites who will continue to regard him as a traitor, but I think most will understand that he didn't have a choice (unless he wanted to be murdered), that he didn't swear an oath to uphold the Republic's Constitution, and that when he fought at Sidemore, he did so as a liegeman of the Protector. Humans are fallible creatures, and we can hold grudges till Kingdom come, but we are also capable of acts of incredible compassion and understanding, and I choose to think that, where circumstances make it possible, most people would opt for forgiveness instead of hate. |
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