What's the chance of a Streek Drive Super Dreadnought?

Sure, there is fleet of SDs with Streak Drive being built. They are a year or two from completion.

And given that Manticore doesn't have any R&D facilities right now I doubt they will have a working model in a month or three.

Streak drive is going to become the new standard issue hyperdrive on all Alliance warships and dispatch boats/courier ships as soon as they can get it into deployment.
They'll probably slide the tech over to the Andermani Empire somewhere along the line, too, even if the Andies aren't formally part of the Alliance at the time, because the Andies are going to be beating on Mesa for them.

I dont remember too well but the detweilers were not being built on the range of 20 million ton, and i think they installed on them spider drive and streak drive.

I think I'm wrong but if someone can confirm please.

Castenea wrote:

Bernd wrote:I have a question does anyone know if the GA got a complete tech specks for the Streek drive or only the mathematics behind the drive? I know they have the drives inventor but do they have a set of Blueprints or only the theory behind the drive. If they only have the math then I expect at least a year for a prototype drive and then a year of testing to make sure the bugs are out. Then you start by building courier ships followed by a Roland B or C class ship for fast scouting missions and more field testing. I say we are 3-5 years from BC and above class ships having a Streek drive ship.

I think you are pessimistic about how quickly the Streak drive can be used, due mostly to the wartime reduction in testing. Radar basically went from lab bench test systems in ~1938 to large inplace coastal systems by 1940, to ship board and air craft systems in general deployment in 1945. Several ASW systems went from a bright idea to general deployment in less than a year.

But given that I doubt that Simoes has blueprints for the drive memorized, even if he does have the theory behind the generator. I doubt that even with the war rush, the new version of the generator can be built and installed in a test ship in under 3 mo. Also can you see our favorite tech witches not trying to improve on any toys they get their hands on?

Not quite on the RADAR the USN was installing raear on ships in mid and late 41 IIRC USS California and USS West Verginia had it instaled at Pearl Harbor but were not operational. Most US ships had AS and FC radar by mid 42 and all had FC AS and SS radars by 43

Charles83 wrote:I dont remember too well but the detweilers were not being built on the range of 20 million ton, and i think they installed on them spider drive and streak drive.

We know they have a spider drive. It's not clear if a spider drive ship can generate a Warshawski sail; it has been pretty strongly implied that a spider drive ship cannot generate an impeller wedge despite a lot of waxing on dual-drive ships here and at Baen's Bar.

Edit: And we know they are larger than standard SDs, but no size or mass estimate has been given in the text; 20 MTons is entirely speculation.

kzt wrote:And given that Manticore doesn't have any R&D facilities right now I doubt they will have a working model in a month or three.

They have something better. They have virtually the entire staff from Weyland heading to Bolthole with Simões to create a joint GA R&D project. If any Grayson R&D people are available, the synergy could be insane, given how their designs have pushed the state of the art in so many ways.

What Simões can tell about the Mesan design is that the Streak drive is roughly twice the size of a normal hyper generator. He also knows what its power requirements are, and anything else about how it fits into a ship design. The people planning future SD(P)s and CLACs should be able to design around those rough specs (with some cushion; any space left over can be filled with extra armor) while the Streak Drive team turns whatever Simões knows into working designs for DBs and DDs and works their way up to the bigger drives.

Once the Streak Drive design is proven, few if any military ships will be built without them. Even supply and repair ships that are expected to keep up with a fleet of Streak Drive wallers will have to use them too.

Charles83 wrote:I dont remember too well but the detweilers were not being built on the range of 20 million ton, and i think they installed on them spider drive and streak drive.

I think I'm wrong but if someone can confirm please.

As best I recall we have very little solid info on the Detweilers as yet, just that they are bigger than Sharks, have internally carried Spider Torpedoes, and a Spider drive with associated stealth systems. We don't have specific numbers for their size, armament beyond the torpedoes, use of a streak drive (though IMO it is a safe bet that they do), or pretty much anything else

Simoes only knows the math. He had NO involvement with the actual development of the real world item.

TheMonster wrote:

kzt wrote:And given that Manticore doesn't have any R&D facilities right now I doubt they will have a working model in a month or three.

They have something better. They have virtually the entire staff from Weyland heading to Bolthole with Simões to create a joint GA R&D project. If any Grayson R&D people are available, the synergy could be insane, given how their designs have pushed the state of the art in so many ways.

What Simões can tell about the Mesan design is that the Streak drive is roughly twice the size of a normal hyper generator. He also knows what its power requirements are, and anything else about how it fits into a ship design. The people planning future SD(P)s and CLACs should be able to design around those rough specs (with some cushion; any space left over can be filled with extra armor) while the Streak Drive team turns whatever Simões knows into working designs for DBs and DDs and works their way up to the bigger drives.

Once the Streak Drive design is proven, few if any military ships will be built without them. Even supply and repair ships that are expected to keep up with a fleet of Streak Drive wallers will have to use them too.

TheMonster wrote:

kzt wrote:And given that Manticore doesn't have any R&D facilities right now I doubt they will have a working model in a month or three.

They have something better. They have virtually the entire staff from Weyland heading to Bolthole with Simões to create a joint GA R&D project. If any Grayson R&D people are available, the synergy could be insane, given how their designs have pushed the state of the art in so many ways.

Umm, right. To the site that is so far from Haven that the head of the navy gets out there once a year, if that. Where the first thing the Manticore side will need to do is build modern production machining in place of the obsolete junk used by Haven. Yeah, that will get results in a few months.

Montrose Toast wrote:

psy9o wrote:I seem to remember also that the streak drive is almost twice as big as a normal drive. In a courier ship this doesn't matter because it's basically the smallest ship you can cram the fastest engine in and it has no armor or weapons. However in warships the extra space required for the streak drive could be deemed to high to make it worth it, since the steak drive has no effect on combat both in n-space and h-space since it only allows transition to a higher band and not extra maneuverability in h-space.

this all depends on how much % of space a hyper drive occupies inside a ship. If it is the difference between 0.5% and 1% they would probably do it but if it is the difference between 10% and 20% that is a different situation.

Agreed.
Otherwise you end up with an FFL sized vessel with the speed of a 300 ton PGG but underarmed compared to that same PGG [E.G. LCS].

My read is that most Honorverse ships are ~20 percent engineering already...

The Harrington B was 70% offensive weapons. that is 30% for hyper, wedge, sail, compensator, power, armor, life support, sidewalls, counter missiles, keyhole 2, etc. etc. etc.

The hyper generator can't be more than a couple percent of the SD's size. decrease missile storage by a few percent will give plunty of space for a streak hyper generator.

A conventional hyper generator is not as safe in the upper ranges of the theta band, the streak boat can go at least into the iota band, and might be able to go higher, so at a minimum will be safe for the upper portion of the theta band, almost certainly safe for at least the lower portion of the iota band, probably safe for the upper part of the iota band, and might be safe for the lower portion of the next band up.