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Re: puzzled by Cauldron of Ghosts timelines
Post by darrell   » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:56 am

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C. O. Thompson wrote:
prasad wrote:HI

I just read Cauldron of ghosts, and I'm a bit puzzled. In Shadow of Freedom Michelle Henke starts for Mesa after Anton and Victor get home. Its mentioned in the last chapter that she "wondering about stuff since Anton and Victor got home". This is upheld by the fact that Dame Honor shows them her correspondence to Queen Bethv as well.

However, Anton and Victor are able to get full body surgery to disguise them, Berry arrives after the COURIER gets to Torch and back, then Granny El's frigate gets modified, then everyone does to Mesa and plays merry hell on ground for a couple of MONTHS. AFTER Michelle has already left for Mesa!

And after ALL that right at the end, there is a mention of a fleet coming in. It doesn't say if its Michelle Henke, Dame Honor or the Andermani or anyone else.

So am wondering of someone could clarify one of the following

1. Am I missing something?
2. Did Michelle Henke get lost in space?
3. Did Michelle and her crew decide they needed a holiday?
4. did her crew decide to PUSH the ships all the way to Mesa in skin suits....


I share your pain and confusion... these tributary streams of the main story flow are a bit difficult to follow... I believe that darrill has it right in the post that followed your original questions and... while I have been re-reading the entire series as a run up to Shadow of Victory and have just finished Shadows of Freedom with (I believe) only Cauldron of Ghost to re-read your questions made me wonder if perhaps the ships that hyper in at the end of CoG might be Andermani... They had more time to react to the reports that Antoine and Victor brought back and the Detwiller's admitted that they may have made it too personal by "going for the succession"
Does anyone have an idea how long it would take them to shift their fleet from Trevor Star via junction?
They would not even have to stop on their way through for longer than to swap out supply ships.


The updated timeline, as worked out between John Roth and I:
April 1922 Victor, Anton, etc leave parmaly station. (SoF)
April 1922 Victor, Anton, etc arrive at Haven. (MoH)
May, 1922 Pritchart arrives at Trevor's star. (MoH)
June Anton and victor arrive at Beowulf.
June 1922 - 10th fleet leaves Tillerman for Meyers.
June or July - Queen Berry is informed by someone else's courier (Beowulf?) that Anton and Victor headed for haven, not torch.
July 1922 - Anton, Victor and crew arrive on Mesa.
August 1922 - 10th fleet arrives on Meyers. Battle of Meyers.
September: about a month or two later 10th fleet heads for Mesa.
Early October 1922 - atomic bomb attacks on Mesa
Late October, about three weeks later, 10th fleet arrives at Me

Anton and Victor head to Beowulf before 10th fleet leaves Tillerman for Meyers.

As the Visigoth and the hyper bridge are only a week away from Beowulf, Anton and Victor arrive on mesa before 10th fleet arrive at Meyers.

As there apparently is no record of an andermanti fleet using the junction, it is unlikely to be an andy fleet that is arriving on mesa.

According to the known timeline, 10th fleet would have had somewhere between 30-60 days to reach mesa, and it is a 45 day trip via courier boat from new tuscany, and if 10th fleet traveled in the eta instead of the theta band, it would be 54 days from New Tuskany.
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Re: puzzled by Cauldron of Ghosts timelines
Post by Theemile   » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:07 am

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JohnRoth wrote:
Textev, please.

We know that Felix is 10 ly from Mannerheim. As far as I know, we have absolutely no idea where either Mannerheim or Felix is at.


Actually I don't have any - but we know that Mesa to Darius isn't a long, inconvenient haul in hyperspace, as the Sharks, which worked up in Mesan space and Detweiler's BC sized Spiderdrive yacht, didn't use the Visigoth wormhole (or else they would have been spotted and questioned), so that is why I said close-ish, as in we know Felix probably isn't 400 light year on the other side of the SL.
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Re: puzzled by Cauldron of Ghosts timelines
Post by JohnRoth   » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:24 pm

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Theemile wrote:
JohnRoth wrote:
Textev, please.

We know that Felix is 10 ly from Mannerheim. As far as I know, we have absolutely no idea where either Mannerheim or Felix is at.


Actually I don't have any - but we know that Mesa to Darius isn't a long, inconvenient haul in hyperspace, as the Sharks, which worked up in Mesan space and Detweiler's BC sized Spiderdrive yacht, didn't use the Visigoth wormhole (or else they would have been spotted and questioned), so that is why I said close-ish, as in we know Felix probably isn't 400 light year on the other side of the SL.


There are a couple of other clues, including how fast Albrecht gets from Mesa to Darius to Mannerheim and then back to Mesa. The Mannerheim-Darius link is via Felix, of course, but either Mannerheim-Felix has to be close to Mesa (your hypothesis) or one of the other termini of the Felix wormhole junction has to be close to Mesa. It's not necessary for Mannerheim-Felix to be anywhere in particular.

As far as the Sharks goes, all that's needed is for one of the Felix junction termini to be within the necessary distance from Manticore.

As far as I'm concerned, there are too many possibilities to make any firm statements.
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