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Re: Call to Arms
Post by Roguevictory   » Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:38 am

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Jonathan_S wrote:
A quick flip through HotQ turned up at least Masadan missile specs - "His missiles were slower than Thunder of God’s. Their drives would burn out in less than a minute, and their maximum acceleration was barely thirty thousand gravities" - but that's still vastly in excess of the acceleration (and therefore range) of the Volsung's 1,300g missiles.

The Grayson's hyper units were capable of roughly 500g at full accel. A bit less than HMS Fearless (CA), and from smaller ships, but vastly more than anything involved in that first Battle of Manticore.


Courvosier indirectly rates their pre-contact CLs as roughly 1/3 to 1/4 as effective as the DD HMS Madrigal "They weren’t even in shouting range of Madrigal’s systems, and the destroyer could take any three Grayson—or Masadan—light cruisers in a stand-up fight."
Seems to me we'd need to find something even less capable to make it a fair fight :D


But back to munroburton's suggestion how about a new Mark 30 Condor-class pinnace against the Volsung?
Its impeller head missiles would need a clean down the throat shot, and it doesn't carry many. After than it's got accel (600g) and maneuverability, plus a 5cm laser (and probably some heavy pulser guns designed for ground attack) How bad is the armor of that era and how does a 5cm laser ("with significantly improved gravitic lensing") stack up to one carried on a Destroyer of that day?
That's probably overmatched against the entire Volsung fleet - though it could certainly run away.


Do we even know the caliber of ship lasers used in the Call to Arms Era?
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Re: Call to Arms
Post by Jonathan_S   » Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:01 am

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Roguevictory wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:But back to munroburton's suggestion how about a new Mark 30 Condor-class pinnace against the Volsung?
Its impeller head missiles would need a clean down the throat shot, and it doesn't carry many. After than it's got accel (600g) and maneuverability, plus a 5cm laser (and probably some heavy pulser guns designed for ground attack) How bad is the armor of that era and how does a 5cm laser ("with significantly improved gravitic lensing") stack up to one carried on a Destroyer of that day?
That's probably overmatched against the entire Volsung fleet - though it could certainly run away.


Do we even know the caliber of ship lasers used in the Call to Arms Era?
don't think so; at least I can't find anything in either book that gives any power or diameter specs for the lasers.
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Re: Call to Arms
Post by Garth 2   » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:48 pm

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Wondering, if the comments between King Michael and Crown Prince Edward mean that they have an idea the MWJ exists?
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Re: Call to Arms
Post by cthia   » Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:03 pm

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Is "A Call to Arms" and "A Call to Duty" spoiler-free fresh meat?

I don't recall anyone posting anything from.

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Re: Call to Arms
Post by Vince   » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:12 pm

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cthia wrote:Is "A Call to Arms" and "A Call to Duty" spoiler-free fresh meat?

I don't recall anyone posting anything from.

The rule here in the forums is that a post about a book that has been out less than a month should have Spoiler in the title of the post or the body, or both, if the post mentions significant events in the book that would spoil the book for a reader who hasn't read the book yet.

Since A Call to Arms has been out only since the first week of October, posts should include Spoiler until the first week of November.

Note that Baen's Bar has a much longer time on marking posts as Spoiler. IIRC, posts there should be marked Spoiler until 6 months after the paperback is released, except in the Snerkers forum.
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Re: Call to Arms
Post by munroburton   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:58 am

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Vince wrote:
cthia wrote:Is "A Call to Arms" and "A Call to Duty" spoiler-free fresh meat?

I don't recall anyone posting anything from.

The rule here in the forums is that a post about a book that has been out less than a month should have Spoiler in the title of the post or the body, or both, if the post mentions significant events in the book that would spoil the book for a reader who hasn't read the book yet.

Since A Call to Arms has been out only since the first week of October, posts should include Spoiler until the first week of November.

Note that Baen's Bar has a much longer time on marking posts as Spoiler. IIRC, posts there should be marked Spoiler until 6 months after the paperback is released, except in the Snerkers forum.


A Call to Arms is an expanded version of the short story with the same name in Worlds of Honor #6. I read it last week and there are no real surprises.

Sure, there are spoilers. But they are relatively small ones - one of the problems with prequels are dealing with established events and continuity. So for example, we know Manticore won't - can't - be defeated or destroyed.
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Re: Call to Arms
Post by Jonathan_S   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:21 am

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Roguevictory wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:But back to munroburton's suggestion how about a new Mark 30 Condor-class pinnace against the Volsung?
Its impeller head missiles would need a clean down the throat shot, and it doesn't carry many. After than it's got accel (600g) and maneuverability, plus a 5cm laser (and probably some heavy pulser guns designed for ground attack) How bad is the armor of that era and how does a 5cm laser ("with significantly improved gravitic lensing") stack up to one carried on a Destroyer of that day?
That's probably overmatched against the entire Volsung fleet - though it could certainly run away.


Do we even know the caliber of ship lasers used in the Call to Arms Era?
Forgot to post until now. I was chatting with Tom Pope briefly at Honorcon and asked him how the Volsung-era lasers stacked up against 'modern' ships and pinnace lasers.
He didn't have a definitive answer but said, more or less, that they're less powerful that modern ship lasers but still stronger than modern pinnace (or laser-head) lasers.

That implies that in this silly scenario a pinnace would have to close to dangerously close range to be a threat to a Volsung's sidewalls. Maybe not the 50,000 km of a modern laser head, but far closer than the normal 400,000 km of energy range.
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Re: Call to Arms
Post by Theemile   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:33 am

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Jonathan_S wrote:Forgot to post until now. I was chatting with Tom Pope briefly at Honorcon and asked him how the Volsung-era lasers stacked up against 'modern' ships and pinnace lasers.
He didn't have a definitive answer but said, more or less, that they're less powerful that modern ship lasers but still stronger than modern pinnace (or laser-head) lasers.

That implies that in this silly scenario a pinnace would have to close to dangerously close range to be a threat to a Volsung's sidewalls. Maybe not the 50,000 km of a modern laser head, but far closer than the normal 400,000 km of energy range.


I would expect a modern laser of the same "size" to have more damage potential and recycle quicker than a laser of that era - just the known advances of power handling and gravitatics suggest as much.

Another point is the sidewalls; early 17th century pd sidewalls seem very fragile when compared to their 20th century PD counterparts. Of course, the move has been made away from sidewall burning in the 1900s, but 17th century missiles seem to be 1 hit, 1 target sidewall lost. In the 20th century, it usually required physical damage or a very lucky burner to shut down a sidewall, not every hit.
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