HMS-Fearless, CA-New

stewart wrote:

saber964 wrote:"stewart"]"Dauntless"]yes indeed. that was a big leap. talk about tonnage creep!

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It happens in multiple navies

the original Enterprise was a Revolutionary Sloop of War. By the time of the TR's Great White Fleet, the name was assigned to an armored cruiser (ACR). Last two Enterprises were CV6 and CVN65.

In most cases the tonnage / size creep goes up

-- Stewart

Let's not forget PCU Enterprise CVN80.[/quote]


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That I won't -- 2 tours on CVN65 -- 80-83 and 89-92

-- Stewart[/quote]


Ah a fellow anchor clanker. I did 17 years 5 USN, 12 USNR med ret BM1

Theemile wrote:
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While you are corect about the RMN's hesitation on launching a new class mid-war, the Edward Saganami (Sag-A) was launched in 1908, after 10 years of redesign. The Sag B was launched in 1917 and the Sag-C in 1920

Hi Theemile, this is just a FYI post.

Just for clarity, and so people are more aware of it, that date is an error.

Tom Pope posted a while back that the 1908 date was an error, and the actual first Saganami class was commisssioned in 1912. He said he would add it to the errata page BuNine is keeping on their website, but I didn't check to see if he put it there.

He made the point in a discussion of cruisers where I was arguing with Lyonheart over the date, and Lyon was right and I --believing HoS-- was wrong. So I remember it.

In In Enemy Hands, HH was thinking about cruisers, and the Saganami she was describing was only supposed to be ten percent bigger than a Star Knight--about like the Alvarez class. And she mentioned something about a three-year (so far) delay in getting the design finalized. 1908 was the date the original design was supposed to be introduced. . . .but wasn't. IEH was what, 1910 or 1911, and the Saganami didn't exist yet--not until she was home again, and Mike Henke was skipper of the Edward Saganami, still with the new-air-car smell. . .

Regards,

Rob

Armed Neo-Bob wrote:Hi Theemile, this is just a FYI post.

Just for clarity, and so people are more aware of it, that date is an error.

Tom Pope posted a while back that the 1908 date was an error, and the actual first Saganami class was commisssioned in 1912. He said he would add it to the errata page BuNine is keeping on their website, but I didn't check to see if he put it there.

He made the point in a discussion of cruisers where I was arguing with Lyonheart over the date, and Lyon was right and I --believing HoS-- was wrong. So I remember it.

In In Enemy Hands, HH was thinking about cruisers, and the Saganami she was describing was only supposed to be ten percent bigger than a Star Knight--about like the Alvarez class. And she mentioned something about a three-year (so far) delay in getting the design finalized. 1908 was the date the original design was supposed to be introduced. . . .but wasn't. IEH was what, 1910 or 1911, and the Saganami didn't exist yet--not until she was home again, and Mike Henke was skipper of the Edward Saganami, still with the new-air-car smell. . .

Regards,

Rob

Just looked and their errata page isn't updated yet. (Also noticed it doesn't the correction/retraction of "Keyhole II" on the color plate of the Nike-class BC(L))

But thanks for sharing this; I added a note to my cheatsheet of Honorverse ship specs.

Armed Neo-Bob wrote:

Theemile wrote:
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While you are corect about the RMN's hesitation on launching a new class mid-war, the Edward Saganami (Sag-A) was launched in 1908, after 10 years of redesign. The Sag B was launched in 1917 and the Sag-C in 1920

Hi Theemile, this is just a FYI post.

Just for clarity, and so people are more aware of it, that date is an error.

Tom Pope posted a while back that the 1908 date was an error, and the actual first Saganami class was commisssioned in 1912. He said he would add it to the errata page BuNine is keeping on their website, but I didn't check to see if he put it there.

He made the point in a discussion of cruisers where I was arguing with Lyonheart over the date, and Lyon was right and I --believing HoS-- was wrong. So I remember it.

In In Enemy Hands, HH was thinking about cruisers, and the Saganami she was describing was only supposed to be ten percent bigger than a Star Knight--about like the Alvarez class. And she mentioned something about a three-year (so far) delay in getting the design finalized. 1908 was the date the original design was supposed to be introduced. . . .but wasn't. IEH was what, 1910 or 1911, and the Saganami didn't exist yet--not until she was home again, and Mike Henke was skipper of the Edward Saganami, still with the new-air-car smell. . .

Regards,

Rob

Thanks Rob. I'll update my spreadsheet.

I've noticed alot that was supposed to be on the errata page has never made it. Not certain what the point of it is.

However the point is stil the same, the Sagnami predated the Buttercup buildup, so in many ways was the first (or close to it), modernized design the RMN released during the war.

Jonathan_S wrote:

Armed Neo-Bob wrote:Hi Theemile, this is just a FYI post.

Just for clarity, and so people are more aware of it, that date is an error.

Tom Pope posted a while back that the 1908 date was an error, and the actual first Saganami class was commisssioned in 1912. He said he would add it to the errata page BuNine is keeping on their website, but I didn't check to see if he put it there.

He made the point in a discussion of cruisers where I was arguing with Lyonheart over the date, and Lyon was right and I --believing HoS-- was wrong. So I remember it.

In In Enemy Hands, HH was thinking about cruisers, and the Saganami she was describing was only supposed to be ten percent bigger than a Star Knight--about like the Alvarez class. And she mentioned something about a three-year (so far) delay in getting the design finalized. 1908 was the date the original design was supposed to be introduced. . . .but wasn't. IEH was what, 1910 or 1911, and the Saganami didn't exist yet--not until she was home again, and Mike Henke was skipper of the Edward Saganami, still with the new-air-car smell. . .

Regards,

Rob

Just looked and their errata page isn't updated yet. (Also noticed it doesn't the correction/retraction of "Keyhole II" on the color plate of the Nike-class BC(L))

But thanks for sharing this; I added a note to my cheatsheet of Honorverse ship specs.

That page has a lot missing just read the first paragraph of Winton and Treecats in HoS and compare it to the information in WPD.