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Re: Young and Basilisk station
Post by n7axw   » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:43 pm

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I spent a bit of time doing some research. So far as I can determine, the first time pod based missiles are used in the honorverse is in "Honor Among Enemies" where Wayfarer is able to deploy them.

In the "Honor Wiki, brief mention is made of the potential for warships to carry them in their wedges prior to that, but the missile pod was regarded for the most part as impractical one shot affairs. Energy warfare was the rule of the day at the time. What made the pod practical was the ability to carry more than one missile per pod.

If someone has better, more specific info, please chime in. I would appreciate it.

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Re: Young and Basilisk station
Post by kzt   » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:50 pm

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n7axw wrote:I spent a bit of time doing some research. So far as I can determine, the first time pod based missiles are used in the honorverse is in "Honor Among Enemies" where Wayfarer is able to deploy them.

In the "Honor Wiki, brief mention is made of the potential for warships to carry them in their wedges prior to that, but the missile pod was regarded for the most part as impractical one shot affairs. Energy warfare was the rule of the day at the time. What made the pod practical was the ability to carry more than one missile per pod.

If someone has better, more specific info, please chime in. I would appreciate it.

It was noted by David that the Manticore system had quite extensive fixed defenses during the start of the 1st war. This implies space based defenses, since putting stuff on planets doesn't exactly work well in the honorverse. I'm kind of assuming that the peeps can do the same thing.
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Re: Young and Basilisk station
Post by GlynnStewart   » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:40 pm

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n7axw wrote:I spent a bit of time doing some research. So far as I can determine, the first time pod based missiles are used in the honorverse is in "Honor Among Enemies" where Wayfarer is able to deploy them.

In the "Honor Wiki, brief mention is made of the potential for warships to carry them in their wedges prior to that, but the missile pod was regarded for the most part as impractical one shot affairs. Energy warfare was the rule of the day at the time. What made the pod practical was the ability to carry more than one missile per pod.

If someone has better, more specific info, please chime in. I would appreciate it.

Don


The first deployment of missile pods we see in combat is at Hancock Station during A Short Victorious War.
After that, the use of pods towed outside the wedge became part of Manticore's opening gambit in most battles, which often helped even up the odds in the first few salvos.

(In Flag in Exile, for example, Honor lures the Peeps into a battle with her superdreadnoughts they would have otherwise avoided by towing the pods inside her SD's wedges, which didn't impact her acceleration and allowed her to accelerate at a speed that matched battlecruisers with pods)

In Honor Among Enemies what we see is the first use of a pod-layer design in the Q-ships under Honor's command - those Q-ship's serving as the testbed for the technologies that later gave Manticore the SD(P) and CLAD.
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Re: Young and Basilisk station
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:18 pm

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n7axw wrote:I spent a bit of time doing some research. So far as I can determine, the first time pod based missiles are used in the honorverse is in "Honor Among Enemies" where Wayfarer is able to deploy them.

In the "Honor Wiki, brief mention is made of the potential for warships to carry them in their wedges prior to that, but the missile pod was regarded for the most part as impractical one shot affairs. Energy warfare was the rule of the day at the time. What made the pod practical was the ability to carry more than one missile per pod.

If someone has better, more specific info, please chime in. I would appreciate it.

Don
GlynnSteward already chimed in with the use of towed pods prior to Wayfairers.

Here's a relivant bit from "Short Victorious War"
Short Victorious War wrote:But the point at hand was that the same improvements could be applied to parasite pods, and, despite Hemphill's objections, they had been. Of course, the new pods—with ten tubes each, not six—were intended for ships of the wall, which had plenty of redundant fire control to manage them, not battlecruisers. But it sounded like Turner was finding the answer to that, and their missiles were actually heavier than the standard ship-to-ship birds. With the new lightweight mass-drivers BuShips had perfected, their performance could equal or even exceed that of normal, ship-launched missiles, and their warheads were more destructive to boot. The pods were clumsy, of course, and towing them did unfortunate things to a warship's inertial compensator field, which held down maximum accelerations by twenty-five percent or so. They were also vulnerable to proximity soft kills, since they carried neither sidewalls nor radiation shielding of their own, but if they got their shots off before they were killed, that hardly mattered.
So even though the new style pods were still one-shot affairs (they fired off the 10 missiles in on go) there were viewed as providing a critical tactical edge, especially before Haven got effective towed pods of their own. Not sure why the wiki would say otherwise.

The pods let Mantie (and later Grayson) battle squadrons swamp their opponent's missile defenses with an initial attritional alpha strike, which would kill or damage a number of their ships tilting the odds in the RMN's (or GSN's) favor.
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Re: Young and Basilisk station
Post by n7axw   » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:11 am

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Thanks guys. Good info. I had forgotten that bit from SVW and didn't look further at the affair at Hancock Station because what I remember was that shoal of mines they put in Chin's way.

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