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by Lord Skimper » Tue May 20, 2014 3:58 am | |
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Given that ships with wedges show up well in the Honorverse could one turn off their wedge and just turn on a fake wedged flare? The missiles should see it and home in on it. One could have an oversized wedge keyhole sized platform that is expendable as a decoy with flare.
Like a keyhole but as a defensive version. Similar defensive weapons maybe have CM's also. Make it look real. A here I am shoot at me platform. As for getting hit accidentally space is big and ships are small. Basically all ships are 1000 plus km apart. Even 10,000 km apart. A 200 metre wide 1.3 km long tube is a needle in a hay stack. ________________________________________
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by Whitecold » Tue May 20, 2014 4:07 am | |
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The system is called Lorelei, a decoy drone which accurately mimics the signature of a superdreadnought.
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by lyonheart » Tue May 20, 2014 6:58 am | |
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Hi WhiteCold,
What were all the previous decoys from OBS onward doing, if not playing with the ship's gravitic signature etc, given that's what the missile's are targeting? Just curious. L
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by Weird Harold » Tue May 20, 2014 7:14 am | |
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From the description of Lorelei's first use against Adm Filareta, previous decoys either didn't have the energy budget to mimic SDs or they were tethered and drew power from the mother ship.
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by lyonheart » Tue May 20, 2014 7:22 am | |
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Hi Weird Harold,
Granted Lorelei's have a vastly greater energy budget, but that doesn't change any of my points, ie that what all the previous decoys have been doing the same thing albeit with less power. L
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by Whitecold » Tue May 20, 2014 7:44 am | |
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I know there were decoys before, and they tried to mimic gravitic as well as other signatures. I just quoted the most advanced system, as it is the only one we even know the name, and it is more or less what Skimper proposed. |
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by Jonathan_S » Tue May 20, 2014 9:27 am | |
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Go back far enough and you're right, see the trick Honor and Mark Brentworth pulled at 4th Yeltson, where Brentworth's BCs used tractored decoys to mimic Gryphon-class SDs to bluff Theisman and LePic into breaking off. However we've already seen free flying, micro-fusion powered, (and missile tube launchable) ghost rider drones mimic SDs. I assume that Lorelei is a significantly enhanced version of those Buttercup-era Ghost Rider free flying decoys. Maybe it's got much longer endurance, significantly higher power budgets, is much more survivable (to decoy multiple waves), or other improvements. But just the ability to free fly a decoy off on internal power had existed for at least 8 years by the time Fileretta blundered into the Manticoran home system. |
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by lyonheart » Tue May 20, 2014 10:56 am | |
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Hi Jonathan_S,
Thank you for the example. I think the energy budget for BC decoys to simulate SD engines back around '05-'06 is pretty impressive myself. But doesn't that make the free flying decoy types over 15 years old? L Go back far enough and you're right, see the trick Honor and Mark Brentworth pulled at 4th Yeltson, where Brentworth's BCs used tractored decoys to mimic Gryphon-class SDs to bluff Theisman and LePic into breaking off. However we've already seen free flying, micro-fusion powered, (and missile tube launchable) ghost rider drones mimic SDs. I assume that Lorelei is a significantly enhanced version of those Buttercup-era Ghost Rider free flying decoys. Maybe it's got much longer endurance, significantly higher power budgets, is much more survivable (to decoy multiple waves), or other improvements. But just the ability to free fly a decoy off on internal power had existed for at least 8 years by the time Fileretta blundered into the Manticoran home system.[/quote] Any snippet or post from RFC is good if not great!
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by Weird Harold » Tue May 20, 2014 2:23 pm | |
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I didn't quote the full discussion of Lorelei from ART. Two things that weren't in the bit I quoted: 1) Lorelei is the one of the last fruits of the Ghost Rider program and is in short supply because of the Yawata Strike taking out the production lines almost as soon as they got set up. 2) Lorelei has an even more advanced AI than the Apollo control missile. Lorelei is probably more capable than Skimpy proposed, but it seems capable of being used as a "flare." Older independent decoys are probably capable of shorter duration use as "flares;" possibly enough to allow a ship to hide by "running silent." .
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by Jonathan_S » Tue May 20, 2014 4:42 pm | |
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Well, I guess if you're counting real years since publication . In Universe though BatDiv 62's fight in the Elric System's was only about 8 years ago (1914 PD) 4th Yeltsin (1907 PD / pub-1995 AD) used tethered decoys, presumably on beamed power, and they still had a finite life before burning out. |
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